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AUXLANG April 2007, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Esperantists AND cowards?

From:

"Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:03:36 -0700

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Je 09.54 ptm 2007.04.04, vi skribis
>--- Steve Rice <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > So as a challenge to Idists: get rid of the
> > asterisks already and act as if you're
> > using a real language!
>
>This is really a question more than a criticism (well,
>it might be a criticism depending on the answer, but
>I'm not prejudiced one way or the other; I really have
>no idea). Is James' attitude about neologisms a common
>feature of Idists, or is it just his own stance? Like
>you, I never mark neologisms in English (I may use
>quotations and offer a definition if it seems
>necessary), but just because something isn't in
>Webster's doesn't mean I'll mark it. So I don't see
>why people would feel the necessity to do it in an
>IAL.
>
>So clearly, *if* it's not a common attitude of Idists,
>but just James Chandler, then I'd accuse you of using
>a brush to paint... But I really don't know if it is
>something special about Idists.

If I understand James's complaint correctly, it comes in two parts:

(1) It is mandatory in Ido to treat words that have not been 
officially approved as part of Ido's vocabulary differently from 
words that _have_ been officially approved;

(2) The mechanism for approving words as part of Ido's vocabulary is 
not functioning in a way he considers satisfactory.

Incidentally, I'm not sure that the word "neologisms" is totally 
appropriate here. I can imagine that there are words commonly used in 
Ido (with asterisks?) that have been around since 1926; these would 
hardly qualify as neologisms, (*) but still would be among those 
about which James is upset.

>* Incidentally, I wasn't sure if "Idists" was in the
>dictionary, so I looked it up, and according to
>Webster, it's supposed to be "Idoists". True?

Perhaps according to Webster, but I suspect that they're pretty 
lonely in their Idoism. (**)

---

(*) Some of Esperanto's "neologisms" are equally hoary; here, the 
main question is whether they are often used or not. In this sence I 
think of such MAL-word synonyms as "mava" and "poka", which have been 
around, but hardly visible, forever. I usually refer to these as "oldologisms".

(**) Incidentally, if I'm not mistaken the one field in which Ido is 
well out ahead of Esperanto is as a term used in crossword puzzles.


-- Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/don/don.html
Opinions (in English): http://www.harlows.org/don/opinions/
Esperanto (in English): http://www.harlows.org/don/esperanto/
Literaturo (Esperante): http://donh.best.vwh.net/Esperanto/Literaturo

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