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AUXLANG June 2007, Week 5

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Re: Why LFN matters

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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Bartlett

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Steve Rice wrote (excerpted):
>
> > But the more important point is that it defies the usual
> Euroclone paradigm: it
> > is recognizable, but it doesn't try to look like a regular
> Romance language
> > (Interlingua, etc.) or a Germanic-Romance blend
> (Occidental, Novial, etc.).
> > Instead, it tries to look like a creole, and that's very big
news.
>
> For a contrasting opinion, LFN looks *very* romance to me.  It
most
> puts me in mind of a bad Spanish influenced by Catalan.

It is definitely a Romance-based Eurolone, but it's very well
thought out.  The isolating grammar does take away a bit of the
Eurobias, but the it's stuck on the Latinite vocabulary like the
others.  I still kind of like it.


> > The old model said that in order to be readable, a system
> had to copy
> > Romance (or to a lesser extent Germanic) grammar.
>
> As I recall, for a time there were some hispanophones on the
Lingua
> Franco Nova list arguing vigorously for inclusion of
> subjunctive-making
> particles, as if hispanophone grammar replete with
subjunctives is
> somehow "natural" and we benighted anglophones just didn't get
it.
> (Leno gi-nasu had the same tendency.)  I noticed something
similar
> years ago with some Glosa users: relexified English is somehow
> "natural."  I note that some LFN-phones tend to relexify their
native
> L1-grammars, down to compulsive tense-marking even when the
time
> reference is clear. (Some Glosa-pe tended to do the same
thing)  A
> rather uncreolish activity, I would surmise.  I think that LFN
could
> have some promise if its proponents could just get out of
their L1
> habits (and ditch several if the residual inflections).

Finding a good way to accomodate many L1 habits is what
designing a world auxlang is all about.  This is precisely why I
don't advocate Euroclones as WAL's.  These little things that
affect other Euroglots are only multiplied and magnified for
other groups that have an even more dissimilar set of habits.  I
have to admit, I too find myself doing similar things.  When I
first started writing the example sentences in Sasxsek, I found
myself using tense markers where they are not needed.  Some of
those examples still exist in the documentation.  I still think
it's better to have them where they are really needed than to
have them missing when they are expected.

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