Dear Lou and all,
Thank you very much for your detailed and helpful answer. I really need
to study the semantics of TEI more in depth, as thus far, I've mostly
been helping our tagging team out a little with the somewhat more
technical side of things. The TEI manual is not exactly a quick read if
you're averse to yet more computer monitor eye strain, so, speaking of
which, may I ask what the status is of your and Sebastian's paperback I
see is listed at Amazon? :) .
Further replies below...
Lou Burnard wrote:
> Brett Zamir wrote:
>> We are looking to add a <meeting> tag to markup meetings which are
>> described in places ranging from <bibl> and <listBibl> to
>> <opener>'s, <closer>'s and <byline>'s. From the documentation (and
>> DTD) it seems though that <meeting> is limited to bibliographic
>> citations where the meeting was the occasion where the document in
>> question was derived. Any chance <meeting> (or another equivalent
>> tag) could be made to fit a more broad role? One example use I can
>> refer to is in a letter addressing or written by the attendees of a
>> gathering, but also within a text...
> One way of addressing such questions is as follows:
> a. whereabouts within my documents do I typically expect this
> <meeting> element to appear? can it appear between or within
> paragraphs, in the header, inside some other more specialised element?
> b. what other element does this <meeting> resemble? is there another,
> possibly less precise, but semantically similar element?
> In the case of the existing <meeting> element, as you rightly observe,
> the answer to (a) is "only inside <monogr> (which in turn can only
> appear inside <biblStruct>). There is good scope for arguing that this
> may be a bit restrictive -- that it would be useful for example to
> permit it also inside <bibl> -- but that would still mean the element
> can only have the strict bibliographic sense you mention ("the
> occasion where the document in question was derived")
> The answer to (b) is more interesting, but probably only you can
> provide it. You suggest one use ("in a letter addressing or written by
> the attendees of a gathering") but I'm not sure what you have in mind.
> Would this be, for example, as (part of) some kind of heading to a
> record of the meeting and thus appearing potentially within <opener>
> or as (part of) some kind of signature, and thus appearing potentially
> within <closer>?
Probably not a record of a meeting, but more like something like "To the
attendees of the annual <meeting>Baha'i National Convention in
Uganda</meeting>". The Convention is a group of delegates, but it is
only at the time of this meeting that they have any official collective
function, so it is not really an organization, I would venture. But it
is also not just a one-time event (though 'event' doesn't seem supported
in a closer anyways). To me, a meeting is a recurring event possibly
sponsored by an organization, but the organization might also sponsor
> Or do you envisage it very generally as being useful to mark up the
> name of a meeting wherever it occurs, i.e. in any of the above, but
> also in running prose?
Yes, potentially in running prose as well...
> If the last, then we have to decide what exactly we mean by a
> "meeting". At the very least, it's a referring string, so we could use
> <rs> or <name> with a @type attribute and leave it at that. If the
> meeting is not just a random collection of people who happen to be in
> the same place at the same time, but is a meeting *of* some
> independently existing organization, then maybe we could specialize
> that a bit further as an <orgName> or if it's a *specific* meeting
> rather than the meeting in general you mean, as an <event>.
I was not aware of <rs> or even <name type>, so I think that might do
the trick, though can I go ahead and suggest at
<meeting> being available in places like opener/closer/byline? I'd like
to stick to the default as much as possible.
> If you decide that that's the answer, then you can use the tag <event
> type="meeting">. It ought also to be possible to add <meeting> to a
> generic model.eventLike class, but that doesn't exist in P5 yet.
> Alternatively, I suggest <name type="meeting"> (or <orgName
> type="meeting">) as a first step; <meeting> could be added to
> And finally, if you mostly want <meeting> as a potential component of
> <opener> or <closer>, then all we need do is add it to the class
> confusingly known as model.divWrapper... which I have just done in P5.
So, in the next version of P5, <meeting> will be available from within
<opener> and <closer> (without being first contained in other elements)?
And if so, its context would be more general than it is now, or would it
still be limited to bibliographic citations where the meeting was the
occasion where the document in question was derived?