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CONLANG  October 2007, Week 2

CONLANG October 2007, Week 2

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Translating "Imagine" (< Code-switching in music)

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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David J. Peterson
> Dana wrote:
> <<
> Actually one song I found to be a pretty good translation
exercise, is
> John Lennon's "Imagine".  Here it is in Sasxsek (updated since my
> previous post on a.l.a).
>  >>
>
> Huh.  You know, if you're working with an auxlang, or an
> a posteriori language, it might work pretty well, but with an a
> priori language, two words come to mind immediately: "imagine"
> and "religion".  I can think of several creative ways to do
"imagine",
> but the word "religion" entails so much in English.  How might
> one translate it in a language with an ill-defined culture, or a
> radically different culture?  Translating it wholesale would seem
> kludgey to me.  Anyone have an equivalent word in any of
> their languages?
>
> Oh, the relevant lines:
>
> ...
> Nothing to kill or die for,
> And no religion too,
> ...
>
> (And all the lines that say "imagine", of course.)

BTW: Sasxsek is an a posteriori auxlang, it just may not be
immediately apparent because of the more neutral grammar and diverse
influences on the lexicon.

It's interested you brought that up because "imagine" was a tough
word to translate, and I'm still not very happy with how I did it.
I used "tudum" which is "tu" (at) + "dum" (think) thus meaning
something like "think about" or "ponder" though I'm thinking I may
also need to added the ichoative "-ib" to the end to make it a bit
clearer.

"Religion" also is a tough one because of its different meanings,
and shades of meanings.  Everyone has a religion in the sense that
we all have a system of beliefs in our minds whether or not we
believe in the existence of any deities.  In this song though, I see
"religion" as meaning something more of the organized, prepackaged
and easily-labeled variety of beliefs which we generally refer to
when we say "religion".  I supposed it could be something more like
"organized common philosophy".
"

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