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AUXLANG  October 2007, Week 3

AUXLANG October 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Worldlangs

From:

Jens Wilkinson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:09:41 -0700

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--- Antony Alexander <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> As for the question: Will the initial IAL be a Level
> 1 or Level 2 language? On this and other
> forums, and in my website, Iíve advanced reasons why
> it should be Level 1. For instance, the
> ability to speak Level 1 language is more or less
> universal but the ability to speak Level 2
> language is not.

Of course I'm supportive of your general thrust, of
starting with a "level 1" language, because I agree
that that is where the need is. But as usual, I have
some issues with specific ideas. Let me just ask two.

The first concerns the paragraph quoted above. You say
that the ability to speak level 2 language is not
universal. I don't understand what you mean by this?
Do you mean that people have difficulty speaking
foreign languages at a high level? Or do you actually
mean that there are people who cannot speak their own
native language using grammar? If so, I would find
that claim fairly hard to swallow. AFAIK, children in
any language learn complex grammatical forms within
the first 3 or 4 years of life. So if you are talking
about very young children, I see, but I'm not sure how
important that is in the context of an IAL.

>
> Iím wholly in favour of Level 2 (and/or Level 3 or
> higher) auxlangs being developed, but only
> as potential Level 2 or higher sociolects or
> registers within a seamless hierarchy, as I have
> indictated at http://langx.org
>

And here is something that I've probably stated
before, but I still think it's important. Although I
think it's true that a contact language can go through
a process of jargon to pidgin and perhaps to creole, I
think that this is quite different from a sociolect.
If I can just speak purely from my own country, it is
true that there are basilects like the speech of
people living in urban ghettoes, but that speech is
not less grammatical than the acrolect spoken on TV.
It may be less "grammatical", in a sense that
prescriptive grammar is violated, but it is not
necessarily simpler. For example, there may be a use
of double negatives, but double negatives are not
simpler or less grammatical than single ones.

Although I can't say this with 100% certainty, I
believe that the issue of grammatical complexity may
be based on different things altogether. I think it is
true that English is less grammatically complex than
many other European languages. I think the reason for
this has to do with the evolution of the language,
i.e. its being spoken by a wide range of people. In
fact, I think it is often true that languages spoken
by "primitive people" tend to be quite grammatically
complex.

And the same goes for phonology, actually. For
example, Polynesian languages tend to be quite simple
phonologically, whereas the San languages of southern
Africa are much more complex. But does this say that
the San are somehow more advanced than the
Polynesians? I can't really see that. I don't see why
an acrolect would have to have more phonemes than a
basilect. I do see why a contact language would have
to have fewer phonemes than an ethnic language,
however.

Jens Wilkinson
Neo Patwa language: http://patwa.pbwiki.com

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