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AUXLANG  October 2007, Week 3

AUXLANG October 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Worldlangs critique

From:

Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:56:32 +0200

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Risto Kupsala skrev:
>>> Also there could be some first language interference.
>>> There are English loan words in Russian like
>>> "bouling" (bowling), which are written with "ou".
>>>
>> Apropos of bowling, it's BAO LING in Chinese. They have taken BAO,
>> although they have also the syllable "bo", so perhaps BAOLING seemed
>> to them closer to the English word than BOLING. There is no syllable
>> "bou" in Chinese.
>>
>
> When it comes to loan words in Chinese it's good to keep in mind that in
> many cases they are not adopted to Mandarin first. "Bowling" was most
> probably borrowed to Cantonese first. In Cantonese it is pronounced
> "bouling" [pouliN]. Other dialects of Chinese have their own dialectal
> renditions of the same word (&#20445;&#40836;), in Mandarin it is
> "baoling" [pauliN] and in Shanghainese it is [poliN].
>
> So in this case you cannot make a judgment concerning Mandarin "bo" [puo]
> and "bao" [pau] with regard to English "bow" [boU].
>
> Languages usually work with what they got. If "ou" is a normal diphthong
> in Lingwa de Planeta then in my opinion "bouling" is perfectly OK. But I
> wouldn't recommend having that particular diphthong in a world IAL because
> it is a difficult one.
>
> We, the Finns, sometimes joke about foreigners for speaking "hoono soomi"
> (bad Finnish). That reflects the inability of some (not all) foreigners to
> pronounce correctly some of the numerous Finnish diphthongs. In this case
> the correct pronunciation would be "huono suomi".
>
Are Estonians pronouncing like that? I think I recall that Suomi is
Soomi in Estonian.

Kjell R

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