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AUXLANG October 2007, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Machinability revisited

From:

Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:29:27 +0200

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Antonielly Garcia Rodrigues skrev:
> On 10/24/07, Kjell Rehnstrm <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>   
>>>       
>> If you by machinability understand that the language cannot be treated
>> by a computer, I must admit that I cannot follow you. Then I suppose
>> neither Swedish nor English ar machinable. But that's no problem for me.
>> I am a hujman being and not a computer.
>>
>>     
>
> The "machinability" problem is not really a problem of "computer
> processing". It is the problem of making it easier for someone to read
> and write information in the language. This is a problem in the
> perspective of human beings, not of computers.
>
> For instance, if diacritics are hard for someone to correctly give as
> input to a computer program, this boils down to a problem of
> writability *for humans*, not for computers. If diacritics cannot be
> represented in a given display, this causes a problem of readability
> *for humans*, not for computers.
>
> The Portuguese sentence "ele e um advogado" ([en] "he and a lawyer")
> does not mean the same thing as "ele  um advogado" ([en] "he is a
> lawyer"). But someone might type "ele e um advogado" when he means
> "ele  um advogado", ignoring the diacritic. (There are other, smarter
> ways to do it, but I have witnessed people doing that a lot of times,
> and there is no reason to think this practice will stop anytime soon.)
> This makes reading harder, since the reader will have to perform
> double parsing.
>
> Yet, even in the cases where the software configuration is suitable
> for typing diacritics, many people forget to use them (or deliberately
> do not use them), since, for characters with diacritics, it is
> necessary to type two keys in sequence to produce just one character.
>
> I can show you a huge number of web pages, blogs, webchat conversation
> logs, SMS message logs and e-mail messages where communication is
> somewhat degraded because of the lack of required diacritics. Yes, I
> can understand the messages, but only after a second parse by eye, and
> this makes communication less efficient.
>
> There is no need to carry this inefficiency into a conauxlang. If we
> can make it more efficient, by design, at zero cost, why shouldn't we
> do it?
>   
Had computers been constructed by Germans, Vietmanese of Finns there 
would have been deacritics. Now they were not, and that has been the 
problem for all others. The only diacritic you will have to trouble 
yourself with in Occidental is , , , ,  and it is not a too big 
stumbling block. And the computers are the problem, not the old clumsy 
printing methods!

And nowadays it is easier to get around the problem.

I have had e-mails in Swedish where there has been no ,  and , and it 
is quite understandable, but it is of course easier with the correct 
letters. A sentence like "Osten r hr" can mean "The cheese is here" 
but if you think that it should be "sten r hr", then it will be 
"sten is here" (sten is a male given name).

And in Polish you have "zadanie" (task), but if you put a dot over the 
z, an ogonek on the a, you will get [Zond'ae], demand, but people who 
know Polish will mostly know what is what. Occidental gives less 
trouble, believe me!

Kjell R

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