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AUXLANG  October 2007, Week 4

AUXLANG October 2007, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Criteria for an IAL and why we divide

From:

auliuniv <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:18:47 -0700

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May I ask why you didn't try speaking a little Occidental with a couple people to see if it could 
have worked at all in the meetng. I don't expect that you would have been prepared to speak 
everything in Occ, but you could have gotten an idea of their reaction.

That's what I did with the Moroccan fellow I mentioned before. It worked, I was pleased, he 
was surprised and got the information he wanted. Sometimes all it takes is slowing down in 
speaking so the other person can clearly hear what you are saying. One problem I find in 
language teaching from my high school experience is that they never worked on training the 
ear. That, to me, is where the difficult part is. It is easy to learn the details of a language, and 
have a big enough vocabulary, but the problem then becomes hearing.

Anyway, I would have tried Occ with some of them right off the bat if I had been there. If no 
one could understand, then fine, wait for another day when my fluency is better, or the time 
when they were receptive.

However, if, as in the case I had with the Moroccan, a crowd would gather around, and well, 
in that situation, that would have been a opportunity to introduce the possibility of Occ.

And, also, in a case like that, one would not have to be totally correct with every word. For 
instance if I said hav, or haf, for the word have, and no one understood, then they might if I 
said hav-ay, or hav-eh. Many times the person knows the word but not the sound of it, even 
with the same spelling, in another language.

Fluency is grammar, vocabulary and sound.

Bob

On 24 Oct 2007 at 21:15, Kjell Rehnström wrote:

> auliuniv skrev:
> > I look at Occidental as my "profession" not as my hobby.
> Therefore, I do all I can to make it 
> > known to the world within my means and abilities. I'm past hobby
> now. I've turned my fun 
> > hobby into my exciting, marvelous, extremely fun profession.
> >
> > Some don't like my methods at times. But, I use different methods
> at different places for 
> > different reasons. That's because I'm not playing IAL anymore. I'm
> doing IAL now.
> >
> >   
> About a month ago I took part in a meeting with a local society I am
> a 
> member of. We were supposed to entertain guests from Lithuania. We
> were 
> to use English. Some of the Lithuanians did not speak English so
> those 
> who could were busi translating to and from English. Some of our
> people 
> turned out to be a little bit uncertain in English. In the break it
> turned out tha I could speak Russian to all the Lithuanians!
> 
> Now, had it been profitable for them learning Occidental? I did not
> have 
> any dictionaries handy, and I would have needed 6 months to make
> them 
> reasonably fluent and with a reasonably workable vocabulary. My
> problem 
> would have been to motivate the Swedes and the Lithuanians to learn
> Occidental. All the Swedes had studied English but they might have
> thought that a good idea could have been to brush up their English.
> And 
> if you are around 40 and have to start learning English from
> scratch, 
> you are in for a hard - and in many cases - impossible task. I know
> people in Latvia who are beginning English at the age of 40. And it
> is 
> hard for them... but would the terminology that we have in
> Occidental be 
> sufficient?
> 
> There you have got the problem of an IAL in a nutshell. And if you
> succeed in convincing the people that Occidental is the language to
> learn, then you must be able to deliver! Then they will have a
> language 
> for the society, the union. But what obout the rest?
> 
> I have tought Interlingua in quite a small scale at a conference
> once 
> with people with different language background, but they were
> somewhat 
> familiar with it, but would Occidental work? Would I be able to
> deliver?
> 
> This is basically the IAL problem. We know that it would work better
> than English, but who would believe us!
> 
> Kjell R
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 10/24/2007 2:31 PM
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