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AUXLANG  November 2007, Week 1

AUXLANG November 2007, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Why cross-linguistic world auxiliary language?

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Olivier Simon <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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Sell vesper prients!

Though I've got now less free time, I'm always glad to read your intersting 
comments! Thanks for the answers on the difficulty of assimilation of Chinese 
words. 
Yes, Dmitry, I remembered when Risto talked about "kado", and I may have 
even already quoted the Indonesian word "kado" which is a loanword from 
French through Netherlandic. But I suppose that Indonesian does not respect 
the French (and Netherlandic) accentuation on the last syllable of "cadeau" 
(maybe the same with "kudeta" and "coup d'état"). 
This point allows me to explain once again that sambahsa is not 
really "complicated" but rather "elaborated", that means that there are more 
rules than in many other auxlangs (except, say, volapük...) but they all have a 
utility, because they bring to the language either (or at the same time) more 
precision or more shortness (and for many IE languages, those features are 
already "traditional"). I don't contend that one can assimilate the grammar 
within one afternoon (I would rather say within a week); but nearly everything 
is regular (on the contrary to natlangs). My motto is not "Pourquoi faire simple 
quand on peut faire compliqué?"; I prefer to mean that sambahsa is based on 
Rawls' maximin according to which a reasonable thinker will not bet on where 
he risks to win the most, but rather on what he risks to lose the least (so, for 
auxlangs, "simplicity vs. rentability"). 
For example, the orthograph of sambahsa is more elaborated than most 
auxlangs, but it allows to assimlate the french word "cadeau" with the same 
orthograph and the same accentuation (while very few Francophones would 
recognize at first sight "kado" or for example "susi" instead of "souci"). 
Dmitry gives us the indonesian example of "abstrak" from 
Netherlandic "abstract". Afrikaans has "abstrak" too, while sambahsa 
has "abstract"... Many auxlangers would tell that "abstrak" is simpler 
than "abstract"... I don't think so. In Afrikaans, you have in truth two forms 
(and not one as in Netherlandic or sambahsa) to learn: "abstrak" + "abstrakt-" 
when this word is added an ending (for example, as an epithet, comparative or 
superlative....). Indonesian does not have endings, but there is no way to 
determine the derivation for a word-formation from "abstrak", for 
example "abstraksi"... And, in Afrikaans, there is no way to guess that the 
corresponding verb is "abstraheer". 
In sambahsa, all is phonetically and grammatically regular. It is explicit stated 
in my grammar that the final "t" can be unpronounced in the spoken language 
if the speaker finds it too difficult; in the wriiten language, you can simply add 
the endings of the "vocalic euphonisation" and obtain "abstracto" which is 
easier to pronounce. The only root to know is the verbal stem "abstrag" 
whence you can derive the past participles "abstract" and "abstragen". It's 
completely regular, compared to Afrikaans, and even richer than Occidental 
which has only "abstracter" as a verb (for Von Wahl's rules have been 
strengthened in sambahsa). The conjugation is regular; present: abstrago, 
abstracs, abstract, abstragmos, abstracte, abstrage(nt). Sambahsa is neither 
an uninflected language (like a pidgin) which leads often to misunderstandings 
in complexe sentences, nor an "absolute" language like (f.e.) esperanto where 
endings are everywhere and indicate the function of each word (and 
lengthens words too much by the same way). Sambahsa is rather a "relative" 
language where endings are not everywhere, but whose frequency helps a lt 
reducing the risks of misunderstandings; and moreover, they are based on IE 
legacy and often provide very short forms (which auxlang, except Dutton 
speedwords, can compete? Who will give up English or French for a faked 
Italian where you need twice more time to express the same things?)...
Every language, including auxlangs, have to express sentences where there 
are a nominative, an accusative and a dative; ex: "I give the book to the girl". 
In the first version of sambahsa (8 years ago), I actually had no dative for 
this case can be replaced by a preposition (in sambahsa, "ad" or "do"). But, I 
noticed that dative is so frequent that it was better to reintroduce it into the 
grammar to get shorter sentences: "Dahm un buk ay pieg" instead of*"Dahm 
un buk ad iam pieg". In sambahsa, remember that the declension is obligatory 
only for pronouns (whose formation is nearly always regular, see the tables in 
the "basic grammàtica de sambahsa", downloadable on "auxlang.org"), which 
are thus very efficient in their role of "meaning anchors" within the sentences. 
Those interesting who can read French can take a look at the debate I had 
recently on the blog of Joël Landais, the creator of "Uropi" at 
http://uropi.canalblog.com (under "derniers commentaires"). 
So, the grammar of sambahsa is like gathering speed to jump higher!

Sell nocto quantims!
Olivier
http://sambahsa-mundialect-com.blogspot.com

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