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AUXLANG  January 2008, Week 2

AUXLANG January 2008, Week 2

Subject:

long review/rant re Papiamentu Thesaurus & online lexicons

From:

Franz Sledge <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:38:22 -0500

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a review of and rant about
Webster's Papiamentu-English Thesaurus Dictionary
edited by Philip M. Parker
published 2008 by ICON Group International
ISBN 0-497-83661-0
644 pages, 23 centimeters by 15 centimeters

This book is a computer-generated set of vocabulary
lists apparently edited by someone who knows very
little about Papiamentu. The editor says nothing about
getting the lexicon reviewed by native speakers of the
language, but he does generously give his prestigious
Hotmail address for anyone wishing to offer
corrections.

This book is worse than it should have been because it
is extracted, without any visible signs of manual
editing or revision, from one of those online polyglot
dictionary projects. More about that in a moment.
First, a description of the book.

It begins with a 396 page Papiamentu-English section,
in which each Papi word is followed by an English
translation and a thesaurus entry for the English word:

  djus 1. juice; _synonyms_ (n) extract, water, blood, 
  gravy, liquid, succus, fluid, liquor, fuel, gasoline, 
  current, oil, solution, (adj) humor, serum, lymph, 
  2. sperm; _synonyms_ (n) seed, semen, spermatazoon, germ, 
  birth, bud, children ... {and so on, there is a lot more}

These thesaurus entries were probably sucked out of
some public domain edition of Roget's that the editor
found on the web somewhere.

Next there is an English-Papiamentu finder list, 64
pages long.

Next comes a section of "Vocabulary Study Lists."
Sounds good, doesn't it? Makes you expect to see
thematic vocabularies, for example a list of household
objects, a list of weather terms, a list of sports
terms, and so on. But that's not what Mr Parker has
given us. What we get is an alphabetical list of verbs,
then a list of nouns, then adverbs, then adjectives.

This is followed by 133 pages of English index. This
index will direct you to every appearance of the
English words in the thesaurus entries: potage,
potager, potassium, potation, and potato. I've been a
native speaker of English for more than 40 years and 
I have never seen or heard many of the words in this
index.

What about the accuracy of the translations? I only
know a few words of Papiamentu so I hesitate to
comment. Still, I can't help noticing that English
"basket" is listed as corresponding to "dakue" with no
mention of the more common "makutu." Based on this item
I suspect Parker got some of his data from Wiktionary,
which is a pile of crap riddled with bogus information.

If this had been an actual bilingual dictionary,
spelling variations and words that differ between
dialects only in their final vowel would have been
listed together or cross-referenced. But in Parker's
book "halto" and "haltu" are separate entries, each
followed by an identical list of 66 English words that
allegedly correspond to the entry in some way. And it's
the same for many other items. Parker has clearly
blended wordlists from both the -o dialect and the -u
dialect.

The book was computer generated from data in Parker's
online polyglot dictionary project
(www.websters-online-dictionary.org) The domain name 
he chose gives you a good indication of Parker's
originality and cleverness.

I think it is a very very bad idea for people who have
no knowledge of a language to be compiling dictionaries
that translate into and out of that tongue. Sucking
data from obsolete thesauruses and error-filled
wiki-type databases and then smooshing it all together
produces crappy results.

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