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CONLANG  January 2008, Week 2

CONLANG January 2008, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Term for Possessive Structure (was: Types of Possession)

From:

ROGER MILLS <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:22 -0500

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Charlie wrote:
>I have decided to use a construct state to indicate possession by an
>animate agent.  Now I'm looking for a grammatical term to describe
>this specific kind of possession.
>
>"Alienable vs. inalienable" doesn't apply because one can say `angar
>venkos,' the courier's message, as well as `angar kaflos,' the
>courier's head. `Angar' would be the construct form of `angarus.' The
>construct form is the root of the word.
>
>In keeping with its use with animate agents, one would also
>say, `vaas kaflos,' the vulture's head (vaas < vaases), and `dor
>vaalos,' the tree's leaf (dor < doris).
>
>Likewise with certain natural phenomena which are viewed as animate,
>e.g., `suul lheras,' the sun's heat (suul < suules).
>
>Possession by an inanimate object would continue to be expressed by
>the genitive case, e.g., eensosyo acos,' the sword's point.
>
>Any suggestions as to what I could call this type of possession?

This is quite similar to possession in Kash, except there, it's the other 
way around-- animate possessors (including some natural phenomena) use the 
genitive, inanimates use a different construction, with a little ambiguity 
involving "intrinsic" parts of things--

pundula karuni
..........karun-i
palace  duke-gen 'the duke's palace'

apasan lerowi
aN-fasan lero-i
NOML-hot sun-gen
heat of the sun

ateleçni pundula
altel-ç-ni...
room-PL-3sPOSS(=its) palace
rooms of the palace

but:
nihin lacayi
top table-gen 'top of the (specific) table' OR

nihiñi laca
nihin-ni ...
top-its table (or maybe this means 'top of a table (generic)'-- hmm, hadn't 
occurred to me!! OTOH nihiñi laca yu [+def] could also mean 'top of the 
(spec.) table'-- as they say, all grammars leak :-))))

But I have no technical term for this distinction; just "animate vs. 
inanimate possession" on the theory that inanimate things cannot truly 
"possess" anything.

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