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AUXLANG  March 2008, Week 4

AUXLANG March 2008, Week 4

Subject:

Re: What the average newspaper reader in the UK....

From:

Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:59:36 +0100

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Antony Alexander skrev:
>
> OK, I’ll accept that distinction, since “planning” 
> suggests long-term oversight (e.g. via the Academio 
> de Esperanto) that might not have been there with a 
> “constructed” or “artificial” language launched and 
> then left to either sink or swim (almost certainly the 
> former). 
>
> Your last sentence "Even a well-planned language will 
> evolve into something new over time...." might read
> "Even a well-planned language that actually succeeds as 
> the global IAL will evolve into something new over time...."!
>
> And yes, I fully accept that the pidgins have severe 
> limitations as models for an IAL paradigm on a global 
> scale. However, so far as I can see they are the best 
> model available, since some of them penetrated 
> throughout their societies and became the mother 
> tongues of a significant proportion of the population. 
> No modern planned IAL including Esperanto has achieved 
> anything like that success within its target area.
>
> I think the key to this success was ownership: the 
> people felt they owned their own language. It’s hardly 
> likely that some pidgins would have developed 
> intuitively as first languages otherwise.
>
> Obviously some aspects vital to a global IAL were 
> missing from the pidgin-scale paradigm, not least 
> a requirement to maintain orthographic and 
> grammatical regularity and prevent dialectisation. 
> For an unwritten language in a limited geographical 
> area such constraints simply weren’t necessary. 
> The pidgins demonstrated the hard part: that an IAL 
> could be successfully established to the point that 
> it took on a life of its own and developed as a 
> mother tongue.
>
> Because this - successful implementation - is the 
> hard part, I think the promoters of planned/constructed 
> languages have been approaching the problem from 
> the wrong end. It’s all very well to construct a highly 
> efficient and regular grammar and orthography, but 
> of no practical use if the masses won’t even accept 
> the foundation of words without which this ideal 
> superstructure cannot exist.
>
> The LangX JPVP method, as proven by the pidgin 
> precedent, therefore concentrates upon establishing 
> a global core vocabulary first, and forgets about 
> grammar for the time being. Without a vocabulary 
> one cannot even take the first step. Simple SVO 
> grammar of the pidgin type - the dominant syntax 
> in existing languages anyway - would then form 
> without difficulty.
>
> A core vocabulary which felt "owned" by its speakers
> rather than "foisted upon them" would obviously have
> to consist of words from existing languages - and by
> the same token the most popular words that hit as
> many of the right buttons as possible, e.g. original 
> morpheme, cognates in other languages, usage and
> antiquity (Zipf's Law), international pronouncibility,
> politically correct distribution within the limits of the
> initial phonology, and so on.
>
> Maintaining regularity and balance between different 
> languages would be fairly straightforward once 
> an IAL was established. After much discussion, 
> consultation with all interested parties and due 
> reflection the IAL committee should simply publish 
> dictionaries (and, later on, grammars) and those 
> would be the recognised standard.
>
>   
Un altri possibil explication del termines "artificial lingue", 
"auxiliar lingue" o "planlingue" posse ben esser que un termine 
functiona in un lingue ma que on deve haver un altri termine in un altri 
lingue.

Un parallel posse esser francese - si yo bon memora li francesi 
esperantistes ne volet usar "esperantist", nam to evoca tre politic e 
sectari associationes. In mi matrin lingue, svedese, on ne vole usar li 
termine "artificial" por un auxilingue, nam to sona tro - artificial, 
mecanic, lu quo svedese senti quam un mal cose.

Kjell R

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