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AUXLANG March 2008, Week 4

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Re: A free Auxlang blog?

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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of steve rice

> > I don't see much problem with the closed syllables. 
> > Those that have
> > problems could always put a vowel on the end like
> > the stereotypical
> > Italian speaking English.  Even nasals can be an
> > issue for some
> > speakers who will tend to nasalize the preceding
> > vowel and omit the
> > consonant.
> 
> When Rex and I were discussing EBCs offlist recently,
> that was one of the minor differences that emerged: I
> would write "guda," but he would use "gud." I don't
> like allowing non-standard final vowels, because it
> marks those who use them. This is also why I dislike
> inserting "buffer" (epenthetic) vowels: as a child, I
> had a mild stuttering problem, and I'm a bit sensitive
> on pronunciation.

The thing is that epenthesis happens across languages anyway when
loanwords are introduced.  Making a language based solely on the
CV(N) modem leaves the language a bit monotonous and shapeless too.
Have a more flexible wordshape gives each word something more unique
to listen to rather than just a chattering which is harder to parse.
My loglang though is mainly CV(N) though I will have a few
multisyllabic roots for less-common concepts.  I'm thinking they
would best be identified by creating some type of cluster like
CVCCV(N) or CCVCV(N), yes like Lojban's gismu, but my system has no
allomorphs.


> One of the quirks of Linu (I've about finished a brief
> intro for it) is that the basic words are checked for
> homonyms as though they were simplified: I pretend
> that "histori" is "itori" when I check. So it's
> possible to simplify the words in speech if you want.
> No ambiguity will arise.

That's been done in Sasxsek to some extent.  If I make "ben" then I
will make sure there's no collision with minimal pairs like "ven" or
"pen" that could easily be confused.



> > For Ingli, I've accepted the non-rhotic model as
> > easier but I'm
> > still undecided about the dark /l/ which I'm more
> > inclined to make
> > into /o/ than /u/ if I decide to go that way.  The
> > main issue is
> > that it could leave some funny diphthongs like /eU/
> > or /iU/.
> 
> I should've explained that I meant only in a final
> consonant cluster. I'm still not entirely pleased with
> candle>?kandu, however. Linu is rhotic, though there's
> no contrast with [l] or [w]. Its predecessor, my
> personal language Lelinu, used only [l].
>  
> > The C+l or C+r leave a few weird possiblities too
> > because /tr/ can
> > sound at lot like /t_S/.  I've even heard that the
> > Vietnamese name
> > <tran> is actually the Chinese <chan> but with a
> > different
> > Romanization.  
> 
> One of my linguistics professors--the one I had for
> Phonetics and Phonemics, in fact--insisted that in US
> English, [tr] was actually /t_Sr/. I still consider
> that an idiolect issue. Besides, I'm not really into
> phonetics and phonemics anyway: it makes you crazy
> trying to hear people that accurately.

I know, but these easily confused combinations to need to be taken
into account. 



> > My crashed hard drive just mysteriously started
> > working again last
> > night.  Ingli, my loglan and all my other lost works
> > from the past 6
> > months or so are now being backed up as I write
> > this, just in case
> > the f^<&ing thing decides to flake out on me again. 
> > What a relief!
> 
> Very good! As I've said before, I consider Ingli the
> big deal, though I'd also like to see the loglang.

They're both still in the very early stages.  There are things about
Ingli that I just haven't been able to decide like the final /l/ and
some lexical issues because I am using some WENSA vocabulary where
it is also commonly known to anglophones.  For example "un" or maybe
"uni" (one) instead of "wan".

> Related note: Boeree of LFN fame mentioned recently
> that he's fiddling with a project based on creoles
> (LFN originally wasn't) and loglangs.


My loglang has taken a few turns since I first started it.  At some
point I decided to also make it oligosynthetic, though maybe not
quite to the extreme of some other projects out there.  The lexicon
originally consisted of morphemes based on English or WENSA
mnemonics, mainly for my own benefit.  Now I'm off on a new
phonosemantic approach to creating the core lexicals.  I consider
this more of an experiment than an auxlang.  I think that having a
system of sound symbolism will give the language a certain "flavor"
of its own, and may even aid in memorization.

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