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CONLANG  March 2008, Week 4

CONLANG March 2008, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Laryngeals in Amhanara.

From:

Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:21:06 +0100

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The books I had referenced seem to have vanished from my
library's catalog, but according to several online sources
final /?/ induced rising tone and final /h/ < */s/ induced
falling tone in Old > Middle Chinese.

In Tibetan initial /?/ and vocieless stops induced high tone
and initial /h\/ and voiced stops induced low tone. Final
d/t and s induced falling tone.



/BP 8^)>
--
Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient
   à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil
   ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*,
   c'est qu'elles meurent."           (Victor Hugo)


Benct Philip Jonsson skrev:
> Nothing strange here. Both final h and IIRC final ? has
> induced falling tone in the history of Sino-Tibetan and
> other Asian languages. You should find info if you Google
> for "tonogenesis" and "laryngeal features".
>
> 2008/3/25, Dirk Elzinga <[log in to unmask]>:
>> In the Goshute dialect of Shoshoni (Uto-Aztecan), falling
>> pitch corresponds to a medial glottal stop in other
>> dialects. The word for 'ghost' in Goshute is
>> [tθóàpʰ], while its cognate in Western Shoshoniis
>> [tsoʔapʰ] (both are disyllabic forms). In practice,
>> there is plenty of pitch movement and creaky voice in
>> Western Shoshoni as well, but the glottal stop is still
>> present. In Goshute it's gone completely.
>>
>> In Third Mesa Hopi (also Uto-Aztecan), a falling tone
>> corresponds to syllable-final aspiration in First
>> Mesa Hopi. This tone is confined to syllables
>> containing a long vowel or syllables closed by a
>> sonorant. As I recall, the current thinking is that
>> in earlier Hopi, such syllables were closed by a
>> voiceless sonorant or /h/.
>>
>> Looking in Wikipedia (the fount of all knowledge), I see
>> that Kickapoo, an Algonkian language, developed low tone
>> on vowels followed by /h/.
>>
>> So there are a few examples to think about.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Lars Finsen
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Den 25. mar. 2008 kl. 14.49 skreiv Dirk Elzinga:
>>>
>>>> You could consider changing them into tones ...
>>> Do you have a particular natlang pattern in mind?
>>>
>>> LEF
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Miapimoquitch: Tcf Pt*p+++12,4(c)v(v/c) W*
>> Mf+++h+++t*a2c*g*n4 Sf++++argh Lc++d++600
>>
>
>

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