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AUXLANG  April 2008, Week 4

AUXLANG April 2008, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Propagation strategies (Was Re: Nurigeul Script)

From:

steve rice <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:14:20 -0700

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--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Risto Kupsala <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Steve Rice wrote:
>  > I wouldn't be copying Japanese phonology, though
> I would like to be 
> close to it.
>  > For example, as in Sasxsek, I would have the l/r
> distinction but maintain
>  > complementary distribution. Of course, when I
> specified that an 
> example I gave
>  > was a spur-of-the-moment invention, Risto still
> pretended that it was 
> a serious
>  > proposal, so even stating intentions isn't enough
> with some people.
> 
> I assumed that it wasn't entirely ad hoc. 

For some reason, I have to keep quoting my posts:

> > In my earlier post, Tokyo Joe Sixpack thought one of
> the attractive
> features of
> > the *hypothetical* auxlang was that the English was
> simplified in a way
> similar to
> > English loanwords in Japanese. [emphasis added]

and

> (*Completely ad hoc*, but more serious than yours.) [emphasis added]

Why would you
> just pull 
> something out of the hat? You must have investigated in
> detail the idea 
> of English based IAL with Asian phonetics before you came
> marketing it 
> to us, right?
> 
I wasn't marketing any system, nor did I say it would have "Asian phonetics" (whatever that might be). Coming from someone who IS marketing a high-context syntactic system, the inattention to context is annoying. A recap for those who came in on the soap opera a little late:

In response to a post where I claimed that worldlangs were inherently top-down systems (ones designed to be imposed on the masses by an elite), Dana argued a priori that Western auxlangs would impose an undue burden on non-Western learners. I countered that most such learners with any actual interest in global communication knew at least some English, so an English-based auxlang could leverage that knowledge while being easier to learn and use than English itself. I invoked a hypothetical case, one "Tokyo Joe Sixpack," to illustrate this point. This hypothetical being was offered a choice between a worldlang (any worldlang) and an auxlang based on English vocabulary but with a simplified phonology and presumably a phonemic orthography to go with it. (No current, major auxlang works this way.)

I never gave a name for the hypothetical auxlang, since it was purely a rhetorical answer to an a priori argument. When you asked how such a thing would look in practice, I responded mostly to your comical example by pointing out that it would not be simply regular English in quasi-Japanized form, but something more like an English-based creole.

I don't have such a project, though Dana himself more or less does, which is why the argument seemed especially fitting. I am considering the idea, but I am far from even a rough draft. If I ever decide to "market" such a thing, I'll announce it here.

Steve


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