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AUXLANG  April 2008, Week 4

AUXLANG April 2008, Week 4

Subject:

Re: LdP news

From:

Olivier Simon <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:44:34 -0400

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:58:09 -0000, Dmitri Ivanov 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Sellamato dien, kare Olivier!
>
>> Every auxlang can translate something like "good day", but if we want
>> something more general, we have to look at different languages. For
>formulas
>> of salutation, those coming from muslim countries are often the most
>> widespread. As you all know it, I have "sellamat" in Sambahsa, which
>is related
>> to Arabic "salam". I debased it by making a "volksetymologie" from
>"sell" which
>> means "good, well, blessed", and I deduced "amat" from the Romance
>> languages and made that it means "pleasant". So, "sellamato dien!"
>> means "good pleasant day"!
>
>Ah so. And I was wondering why you write the Indonesian selamat with 2
>'l'.
>
A good way for us auxlangers to coin international words is to try to use when 
possible look-alike forms, even if they're in truth not etymologically related to 
each other. The "o" here at the end of "sellamat" comes from the "vocalic 
euphonisation", because the following word begins with a "d". But, one can 
say "sellamat dien". In sambahsa "dear" is "kyar" or "dorgv". "Dorgv" applies to 
prices too. 
>> I especially like LdP's swasti and I have adopted it for Sambahsa.
>
>Me joi. Swasti gro!
>
>> Svastika meant not only the cross,
>> but "barde". The svastika cross symbolises the (westward) course of
>the sun
>> in the sky and is thus a benefic symbol. The nazi cross is a
>"sauvastika" (it is
>> a "long-grade" derivation of "svastika") which turns in the opposite
>direction.
>> For those knowing symbolism, they immediately recognize the evil
>intentions of
>> Nazis. Indeed, the words "svastika" or "sauvastika" are unknown to most
>> people. In German, we say "Hakenkreuz" ("hooked cross") and in
>French "croix
>> gammée" (from the Greek letter gamma).
>
>AFAIK there are a lot of various swastikas, not only four-legged and
>angular. Some people see Christian cross as initially a solar symbol
>and a variant of swastika. But let swastikas alone, it's another story
>(se on toinen juttu - in Finnish it sounds nice).
>
Is there not in Finnish a word like "risti" meaning "cross"? I think it comes 
from "Christ". Surely Risto (*Kristo?) will know the answer. 
>
>> In IE, the root "su" means "well", and we don't know if it is the
>same root "su"
>> that means "black" too. "Sûrya" is Sanskrit is etymologically equal to
>> Greek "Helios", from an older "Swelios" (and "sol" in Latin,
>Spanish, the
>> Scandinavian languages and Sambahsa). Did it lead to "su" meaning
>"black"
>> because of the burning effect of sun (and fire) ? In all cases,
>"sow" (and
>> swine) comes from this root, originally pigs (wildboars) were
>half-wild and had
>> black hairs (it was still the case in the Middle Ages when swine
>went astray in
>> the cities and fed on the garbage on the streets). It was opposed
>> to "porkos" ,  the young wild swine whose fur is striated (for
>"perk" means "to
>> striate" in IE; it is "pehrk" in sambahsa).
>> To my knowledge, "saurog" is an Ossetian name (Ossetians are the
>> descendants of Scyths which had a strong influence on the Eastern
>Slavs). It
>> was a beautiful horse with clear fur but a black streak  on his
>back. Ossetian
>> Prince David Soslan would have bought one in exchange of a whole
>> village. "Rog" means "horn" in Russian and it may come from Iranian.
>
>I would rather think about Sanskrit's swarga (heaven, paradise).
>
Yes, you're right. "Svarga" is the "Daylight" divinity. It comes from "svar" (the 
same root as "helios" in Greek) and "ga" is a suffix of location (maybe related 
to English "to go" and sambahsa "gwah"). 
According to the Serbian scientist Aleksandar Loma, Svarozhic designated 
among the Russians the personnification of fire. I suppose there is a parallel 
(either by direct loan or from the IE) with the Nordic creeds where a horse 
was a solar symbol and the use of a horn (rog) for the ritual drinking of mead. 
>Congratulations about the dialogs on your blog!
>Gro-khauris mingo!
>
>Dmitry
Khauris mingo vos quantims, in Russia au alyer !

Olivier
http://sambahsa-mundialect-org.blogspot.com

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