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AUXLANG  June 2008, Week 3

AUXLANG June 2008, Week 3

Subject:

Re: LFN (Was Re: IAL for computer-aided translation (Was: Compounding (was Re: LFN)))

From:

Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:45:40 +0200

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[log in to unmask] skrev:
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of steve rice
>>     
>
>   
>>> It really depends on how long it takes English to become
>>>       
> universal.
>   
>>> I suspect that 100 years from now just about every educated
>>>       
> person
>   
>>> on the planet will know English, and also figure that will
>>> also be about the point that new L1 communities start cropping
>>>       
> up
>   
>>> all over.
>>> The next phase would be the spread of L1 English as all other
>>> languages start to fade away.   So I'm not sure what you mean by
>>> "near" future.
>>>       
>> At current rates, I'd say about twenty-five years for the 
>> simpler consonant clusters and phonemic distinction to become 
>> workable. (Perhaps much less: I tend to estimate 
>> conservatively.) Some features may prove intractable, and 
>> English itself will likely change as a result.
>>     
>
> I can see pidgin-like dialects cropping up like that, but remember
> English still has a literary form that tends to hold it together so
> I would guess a lot of the clusters and other phonotactical features
> will remain for a considerable time, at least in the "proper"
> language.
>
>
>   
>>> Yet another project:  As usual, I'm alway coming up with newer
>>> concepts for conlangs.  Right now it's a "future" English.  Not
>>>       
> an
>   
>>> auxlang, just a conlang based upon English after it's been hit
>>>       
> with
>   
>>> a few phonemic shifts, and even a few minor grammatical changes,
>>> mainly influenced by those phonemic changes.  Many clusters are
>>>       
> now
>   
>>> gone, and there are now more open syllables.  The result is 24
>>> consonants, plus 8 vowels.
>>>       
>> That's roughly what I was talking about a few days ago when I 
>> said that Hinglish, Singlish, etc. might be better models 
>> than pidgins and creoles.
>>     
>
> I've starting putting this on paper, but I'm still figuring how to
> describe it.  I'm thinking about a future-fiction style that's set
> 500 years from now which describes Li?glis (that's the name I'm
> using right now, and yes, that's an eng and an undotted I) from a
> historical perspective.  Roughly running quickly through Old and
> Middle English period, then going into the 20th century rise of
> English as a major world language then into it's spread around the
> world during the 21st century, and the resulting evolution into the
> "modern" forms over the centuries that follow.
>
>
>   
>>> I still have doubts about how workable SSM really is in
>>>       
> practice.
>   
>>> Any time a new language is learned, the student is going to be
>>>       
> faced
>   
>>> with a situation of learning to parse spoken words. Natural
>>> languages all have mechanisms which give the listener audible
>>>       
> clues
>   
>>> whether it be rhythm, morphology, tone, devoicing or something
>>>       
> else.
>   
>>> In any case, it's going to take training.
>>>       
>> I generally say that my "SSM" projects "tend to resolve." I 
>> don't think it works anything like 100%, but it helps. It 
>> would even help eventual L1 users in noisy conditions. The 
>> trick is to have a strategy (or more likely a system of 
>> strategies) to produce the desired effect without being too 
>> obviously artificial.
>>     
>
> That's what I tend to strive for.  Not SSM but a system of hints and
> cues which will become subconscious as one develops their listening
> skills.
>
>   
Wasn't that what Frank Herbert did in his novel Dune? But the Galactic 
used in that book was English spoken in a future 10,000 years from now.

Kjell R

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