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AUXLANG July 2008, Week 2

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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Geoffrey King


> > English is a successful IAL.  If it's the planned type you 
> are referring to, then remember why people learn English.  
> They learn it because there is a target group that they are 
> trying to gain access to.  This is the primary reason for 
> learning a language.  Even Esperanto doesn't have a specific 
> target group, except maybe language geeks who want to "play" 
> in a language other than their own.  Its appeal seems more 
> self-serving.  Until someone can get a language out of the 
> play stage and into a utilitarian role, you can figure that 
> it will never have anything more than a cult following, and 
> even that could be tough to get.>
> >   
> 
> I'm sure you're right about the motivation. I was talking more about 
> _succeeding_ in learning a language. In talking about "reluctant 
> monoglots" I was referring to people who would like to learn a second 
> language but haven't succeeded. 

Right, but those you want to learn another language generally are motivated by a need or desire to be a part of the target group.  

> These are probably a minority, but 
> motivation alone is not enough. I wouldn't want to make over-the-top 
> exaggerations of how easy Esperanto is; no language is easy to learn. 

No, learning a language is not easy, but some are certainly easier than others.  As much as I may dislike Esperanto, it's still much easier than learning natural languages, if only because of its high degree of regularity.


> British children spend the first four or five years of their lives 
> getting a grip on English. Adult learners take a lot longer, with less 
> good results. I wouldn't have thought any of that was controversial.
> All I was saying is that a substantial catchment area for a planned IAL 
> is the people who have tried and failed to learn a national language. 

Yes, but it still comes back to the motivation.  A planned language may be easy, but what use is it once you've learned it?  Can I take a trip around the world and reasonably expect to happen by others that speak Esperanto?  No, I can't, however it's generally pretty easy to find someone who speaks English, even in places where it's not the local language.


> However few these are, they are surely enough tfor a small  proportion of 
> them to increase the speakers of a given planned IAL by numerous 
> multiples. They have already demonstrated motivation.
> And of course I shouldn't conceal the fact that many  Esperantists also 
> speak English (just as many Idists also speak Esperanto); when asked, 
> they tend to say that speaking Esperanto is a pleasant relaxation from 
> the stress of speaking English. Even as a native speaker, I know what they mean.
> And another "incidentally"; don't underrate the usability of  Espernto. I 
> have earned a living in Esperanto, got married in Esperanto, used 
> Esperanto at home, and comforted the dying in Esperanto. This is 
> unusual, but not unique. Much of this, in my own particular 
> circumstances, could not have been done in any other language.

But how many other Esperantists can say that?  Your situation is definitely a rare one.  I consider an auxlang useful when I can be confident that when I step off a plane, train, bus, etc. in a foreign place that I can at least use it with the taxi drivers, hotel clerks, and local merchants to get around.   No artificial language has even come close to providing that level of utility.  Until one of them does, I don't see mainstream society taking any real interest in them. 

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