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AUXLANG  July 2008, Week 2

AUXLANG July 2008, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Which natural language deserves our support if any?

From:

Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:56:24 +0200

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Risto Kupsala skrev:
> Cheng-Zhong Su wrote:
> > Some one found the long vowel and short vowel are roughly the same 
> length while you can distinguish them very well. Can you tell me the 
> reason? It tell us that English did adopt tone already.
>
> The real reason is that English short and long vowels have different 
> quality. The vowel in "bit" is between the ones in "beat" and "bet". 
> In phonetic symbols we would write them like this: bit = [bIt], beat = 
> [bit] and bet = [bet]. So they are different vowels and tones have 
> nothing to do with it.
>
> Have you ever tried to teach Mandarin tones to foreigners? I attended 
> a Mandarin course once here in Finland, and tones were difficult for 
> every student. You know what? We spoke more slowly because of the 
> tones, because it was so difficult to pronounce them correctly.
>
This is interesting. My take is that tones are hard to learn. As far as 
I have understood a Swedish speaker would have at least two of the four 
Chinese tones, but I don't hear them as well as one would imagine. One 
of my students, a Chinese, thought it was very funny when I tried to 
say: "I'm a teacher" and it came out as "I'm a father!" As I speak the 
versiion of Swedish where you make a distinction between "anden" (the 
wild duck) and "anden" (the spirit) - all kinds of Swedish don't have 
that, I hear these tones very well, buty I don't hear the different 
tones in Croatian or Serbian (where they say that they also exist, but I 
cannot for the life of me hear them. This is the terrible truth!) As far 
as I know Zulu (or is it Xhosa) are said to have a grave accent  la 
Swedish at the same time that they make a distinction between aspirated 
and un-aspirated stops. Imagine an aspirated avulsive (click) as 
compared to a non-aspirated one! That would be something for a world 
language.

Kjell R

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