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Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?

From:

Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:43:02 +0800

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That's a good idea for comparative-forming! I have been quite dissatisfied
with how I have formed comparatives (more/less than -- what are the proper
academic names for these? augmentative and reductive? haha) in Classical
Arithide, the current way of which is available on Frath
http://wiki.frath.net/Classical_Arithide_adjectives.
I have now added a new entry to my lexicon of almost 3000 words (!!! so
exciting!!!) the suffix -masonai, to the precise meaning and usage as
mentioned by Henrik.

Zimeu Zōneōn siōmmasa.
Jim.TOPIC John.ABL tall.+.PERF

Tangentially, how does your J-less conlang transliterate the "J" sound in
"Jim" and "John"? I've done so by substituting "Z" [dz] for it in Cl. Ar.

In the modern tongue a different problem presents itself: diachronically,
sequences of [diV] or [djV] are supposed to simplify to [dʒV] and [giV],
[gjV] to [ʒV]. However, what would happen to [di], [di:], [dy] and [dy:]?
Ought [di] remain [di] or morph to [dʒi]? Ought [di:] be analysed as [dii]
and pronounced [dʒi]? or analysed as different phonemes and still pronounced
[di:]?

How about [dy]/[dy:], given that diachronically they derive from sequences
of [dui(:)/dwi(:)] or [diu(:)/dju(:)]? Has any natlang encountered such a
situation before (the lengths are phonemically distinguished)?

This question arose because I was thinking bout how I'd write that sentence
in Modern Ar. Should Jim be written Dim, Dīm, ... etc. or even Dyim?

Eugene

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Dana Nutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Henrik
> Theiling
>
> > Does anyone have an affix in their conlang that corresponds
> more or
> > less directly to the English prefix 'out-' as in transitive
> verbs as
> > 'outperform', 'outsell', etc.?
>
> Thoush not really an affix as such, Sasxsek has the root "iob"
> meaning "to exceed" that can be used to form compounds like
> those you mention.
>
>
> > It would be a nice feature if a language had this a the only
> way to
> > form comparisons, especially languages where advectives are
> verbs.  So
> > you would say ,Jim outtalls John'.
>
> Yes that's a good way to handle it.
>

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