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CONLANG  August 2008, Week 3

CONLANG August 2008, Week 3

Subject:

Re: "In spite of"

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Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:42:04 +0800

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Cl. Ar. has a noun "abtos", which is used for "despite" in this way:
noun.GEN abtorae (which is abtos.DAT)

I don't know what "abtos" could mean!

Eugene

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Harold Ensle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:08:50 -0400, Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> .......
> >How do y'all express this meaning, whether as as conjunction or
> >adposition or case or whatever, in your conlang or in natlangs
> >you know?  I'm particularly interested in languages where it's derived
> >from some more basic root rather than being an unanalyzable
> >particle.
>
> I am not sure it would make sense for a language to derive it from some
> root
> as it is such a basic concept...and if a language did so, I would think it
> would
> be very idiomatic.
>
> In Ankanian 'despite' is the opposite of 'because' and is composed of two
> fundamental case markers: The exlusive marker on the genitive case.
>
> The exclusive indicates that A and B are exclusive of each other and the
> genitive indicates that A is being governed by B. (dative would indicate A
> governs B; nominative would indicate no governing; instrumental would
> indicate dependent or mutual governing)
>
> -eyu  because (genitive+inclusive);  -ewi  despite (genitive+exclusive)
>
> Vesun se keyu.  I said it because of him.
> Vesun se kewi.  I said it despite him.
>
> Harold
>

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