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CONLANG  August 2008, Week 3

CONLANG August 2008, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Beijing, Zhongguo, etc. (was Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)

From:

Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:29:28 -0500

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On Aug 18, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Eugene Oh wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, J R <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hebrew had such a change word-initially. See for example Arabic / 
>> walad/ vs.
>> Hebrew /jElEd/ 'boy'. A certain amount of morphophonemic variation  
>> was
>> created - 'to be born' shares the same root, but still contains /w/:
>> [log in to unmask] (And in Modern Israeli Hebrew of course /w/ is  
>> pronounced
>> /v/,
>> but that's another matter.)
>>
>> The ubiquitous conjunction /w@/ 'and, but, change tense', did not  
>> undergo
>> this change.
>>
>> And the word for 'rose' actually didn't either. My etymological  
>> dictionary
>> says it's a borrowing, ultimately from Iranian.
>>
>> Josh Roth
>
>
> Ah, illuminating indeed! Many thanks. It seems like a valid  
> inference, from
> that, that the Arabic trivocalic system, rather than being the  
> archetypal
> "simple predecessor" is actually the product of vowel simplification

Could you elaborate on this?

> (reminds me of someone's theory that the Arab's developed guttural  
> sounds
> and simple vowels due to the harsh desert conditions-- was it Sapir?).
>
> And of course I agree with Benct in clamouring for an explanation  
> of the
> conjunction that means "change tense"!

Check out < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waw_(letter) >, under "Words  
written as vav". Namely:

> Vav Consecutive (Vav Hahipuch, literally "the Vav of Reversal"),  
> mainly biblical, commonly mistaken for the previous type of vav; it  
> indicates consequence of actions and reverses the tense of the verb  
> following it:
> when placed in front of a verb in the imperfect tense, it changes  
> the verb to the perfect tense. For example, yomar means 'he will  
> say' and vayomar means 'he said';
> when placed in front of a verb in the perfect, it changes the verb  
> to the imperfect tense. For example, ahavtah means 'you loved', and  
> ve'ahavtah means 'you will love'.
> (Note: Older Hebrew did not have "tense" in a temporal sense,  
> "perfect," and "imperfect" instead denoting aspect of completed or  
> continuing action. Modern Hebrew verbal tenses have developed  
> closer to their Indo-European counterparts, mostly having a  
> temporal quality rather than denoting aspect. As a rule, Modern  
> Hebrew does not use the "Vav Consecutive" form.)
>

I have been told that the two morphemes are merely homophones and not  
the same, but I'm not sure... I wonder if you could use both of them  
on the same word?

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