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AUXLANG September 2008, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Italian call to use less English

From:

MacLeod Dave <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:53:25 +0900

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2008/9/27 Cheng-Zhong Su <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Jens Wilkinson <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Olivier Simon <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There is something very interesting here: about brevity.
>>> I think that brevity is a quality that auxlangers should take into
>>> account. hat's
>>> what I have tried to do with sambahsa.
>>> I suppose that people won't be eager to give up languages like English or
>>> even
>>> French for an auxlang that uses twice more time to tell the same thing
>>> (ex:
>>> the "Italian-like" Esperanto)....
>>
>> I wonder how important brevity really is. This is something anecdotal, but
>> for instance, it seems to me that Filipinos (who have a language with long
>> words) tend to speak syllables faster than Chinese (who have a quite compact
>> language). So I'm wondering, are there languages that transmit information
>> faster than others (in speech, not writing) or is there a sort of constant
>> law where people speaking languages with long words say the words more
>> quickly? I don't know how true this is, but I think when people speak
>> English, which is fairly compact, they tend to put a lot of "um"s and things
>> like that, the implication being that they are not using the language at the
>> maximum possible speed anyway. I looked around a bit on the Internet, but
>> couldn't find anything about this issue. Does anybody have any ideas about
>> this?
>>
>> --
>> Jens Wilkinson
>> Neo Patwa (patwa.pbwiki.com)
>
> That is a very good question and very important issue too. It is a pity that
> the linguists had never talking about it. I have just set an example about
> 'ten' and 'ted' in the phonology, they are the same but once you repeat each
> of them twenty times they will cost different time. For this reason, it
> needs the linguist to measure the time of every syllable to see the
> different. As I know, that any vowel should last 0.25 second if you want the
> listener catch it clearly. The consonant can't be heard unless it mixed with
> a vowel, so we may say it should last 0.25 second too. Any language can be
> pronounced faster than this, if the context and environmental allow them to
> do so. But for study we have to agree, for every 0.25 second, one can only
> send a clear phonetic signal clearly. How many second you have during your
> life means you can only send and receive four time of this number of
> meanings during you life.
> Cheng-Zhong Su
>

I don't think that would a good way to go about creating a language
(stressing always being short and transmitting as much information as
possible) because it creates a certain visceral response against the
language as being really unnatural. I would probably make up extra
long words just to spite it for example.

I like brevity though. That's one reason why I've never been able to
get 100% into Interlingua, because it's like other Romance languages
except that it takes soooo long to write sometimes. "Illo habeva
essite disveloppate inmediatemente..."

-- 
http://mithridates.blogspot.com

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