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AUXLANG  September 2008, Week 4

AUXLANG September 2008, Week 4

Subject:

Re: World government = world language? (< "Artificial" prejudice)

From:

Matthew Barnett <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:18:24 +0100

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Olivier Simon wrote:
>> I am going to add the following words to the explanation of Auxlang in
>> Wikipedia. Thank you for any comment.
>>
>> 2002, Cheng-Zhong Su published a book 'From the Linguistic Law to the
>> International language' ISBN 0-9581464-0-3. He found that the current
>> international language such as Esperanto, Ido, Eurolang etc. didn't give
>> their speakers any benefit. For instance Esperanto has created as much
>> compound word and derivatives as possible. Indeed, it made the language 
> easy
>> to learn but on the other hand, this process makes the words longer than
>> normal English words, in the average. Supposing it take just 0.2 second
>> longer than English in average, it means to say 1/5 life of the speakers was
>> wasted in oral action, without any information exchange. Beside this, as our
>> thinking process is a sort of speaking in mind. That is to say our thinking
>> process is cohered with speaking in some way. Once our speaking speed is
>> slow down, our thinking speed would be slow down too.
>>
>> Now, the Auxlang should refer a projecting language or a goal language. It
>> is not invented by a single person but by the people of the world. The
>> project divided by two steps. First step: Any language that wants to share
>> the future IAL (International Auxiliary Language) should take a reform.
>> Second step: After this reform, these languages could be learnt in a short
>> time, so some governments (for instance German and France) may require 
> their
>> students learn both language then the jargon lead a new language (we may
>> call it Gerench). Repeat this process; the world language will be united.
>> First step:
>> As very language has its unique property, so we can't suggest any thing to
>> any single language. Linguists of that language should response the reform.
>> They have to design the plan and maybe found their own school to achieve 
> the
>> reform. For the moment, we can only recommend the target as:
>> 1. Reducing the basic words under 4,000. 2. Any other word could be
>> substituted by a compound word from these 4,000 words. 3. The speaking 
> speed
>> should not slower than current language. 4. Every learner could pronounce
>> any words properly when facing a writing material. 5. The ability of drawing
>> information from other cultures and languages should be better than any
>> other languages.
>> In other words, after learn the basic letters; any learner could pronounce
>> any words exactly when facing the writing material. After learnt the 4,000
>> words, a learner should understand all the vocabulary no matter how many
>> words it will have. This step is in fact helps the language attract more
>> people to learn it and let its speaker enjoy more information during life
>> time.
>>
> 
> Gudde Moien Cheng!
> 
> Well I remember you had already refered to this idea of "Gerench".
> Those ideas of language planning aren't new; they were already proposed in 
> the past by Valter Tauli. 
> Personnally, I am not convinced by the efficiency of such measures. Even if all 
> the populations and their governments would be OK for such policy, 
> implementing this process would take much more time than a small committee 
> or even a single linguist inventing an international auxlang. 
> You can believe me as I am a Frenchman who can speak German (for 
> example,  a few weeks ago, I helped a German in the train [but it appeared to 
> me he had taken the wrong direction!]). (And at the moment I am writing this 
> message, I am listening to the German radio....)
> 
> When people in frontier areas can speak the language from both sides of the 
> border, it does not lower the number of words, on the contrary, people rather 
> tend to use the words from the neighbouring country into their native 
> language, so it increases the number of words. (For example, the Metz 
> romance dialect of my ancestry was laden with many German words). 
> This contention is verifyed by what happens in the tiny country of 
> Luxembourg, where most people can speak French, German and their own 
> dialect. This dialect is Germanic (Frankish) but it often can include the German 
> and the French word for the same meaning!
> 
> Vergësst net datt Sprooch guer kee theoretescht Probleem ass, mä datt se hir 
> Wuerzelen an der Réalitéit fënnt! 
> 
> Ech wënschen Iech allen e gudde Samsdeg!
> 
> Den Olivier vu Loutréngen
> http://sambahsa-mundialect-org.blogspot.com
> 
Consider what happened to English after the Norman Conquest: many French 
words entered the language, resulting in word pairs "pig" & "pork", 
"forgive" & "pardon", etc.

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