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AUXLANG October 2008, Week 1

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Re: Brevity

From:

steve rice <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:10:13 -0700

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--- On Sun, 10/5/08, Paul Bartlett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, steve rice wrote:
> 
> > [...]
> 
> > On the other hand, Paul, doesn't this business
> about letters as words
> > and full-blown sounds begin to remind you of Babm?
> Perhaps this is
> > new and improved Babm, now with Tones!
> 
> Babm I know by name but do not know any details of. 
> However, I
> suspect that even in Babm, we are only dealing with an
> orthography
> that may represent more than one sound by a single letter,
> perhaps
> something in the manner of a syllabary.

Sorry; you're usually well-informed about anything I've heard of. Yes, it's a syllabary that uses the Roman alphabet's forms, so Babm is pronounced /bOa:bOmu/. This just sounds like a more ambitious version of that.
 
> >> Some may have more, and some may have fewer.  I
> once took a class
> >> in which the professor said that classical Latin
> had about twenty
> >> thousand words.
> >
> > Technically, that's how many words were recorded.
> Since the rabble
> > didn't write much, we're probably missing a
> number of items that were
> > in common use in some circles back then.
> 
> Quite likely.  That brings a question to mind.  If this or
> that conIAL
> should come into widespread use, to what extent (and I
> presume that
> there would be one) would "formal" and
> "vulgar" (as in Vulgar Latin)
> registers develop, and should anything be done about a
> vulgar register,
> if the idea of an IAL (as some would have it) is to be
> fairly uniform
> among speakers?  

Eo already has slang, so the process has begun. Slang will become the "vulgar" form, in the old sense. Likewise, I think Ia has borrowed some slang and other common forms from Romance languages.

Also, if some conIAL should come into
> widespread use,
> what is the likelihood that it might in itself become a
> vernacular,
> somewhat in the manner of the "denaskaj
> esperantistoj" (is that the
> correct term?) but on a widespread scale, so that some
> people would in
> practice have only the conIAL as a vernacular L1?

Based on Eo, I'd say it's a foregone conclusion. However, if the globalizing tendency persists, it should help us avoid the usual breakup into dialects and eventually separate languages.
 
> > I could dig out my copy of Glan-ik, which was
> organized according to
> > permissible initials and finals. It was rather
> ingenious in some
> > ways. He cut a few corners, for example disallowing
> -rld as a final
> > because it only occurs in "world" (which
> therefore becomes "wurl," as
> > I recall).
> 
> The Glan ik (morphemes could be written detached, as I
> recall) is
> rather fascinating (I also have a photocopy of it).  The
> design goal
> was to reduce all morphemes to single syllables, although,
> as you say,
> Ware cut a few corners.  IIRC, he allowed what might
> otherwise be
> considered terminal syllabic /l/ and /n/ to be considered
> as parts of a
> single syllable.  (However, I haven't looked at it in
> several years, so
> I would have to dig out my copy to be sure.)  Regrettably,
> Ware
> included only one specimen of connected text, a business
> letter.
> 
The Glan-ik was a better artlang than auxlang, and despite some distortion of the roots, it was fairly intelligible to an anglophone. I think you're right about syllabic consonants, though I would have to check as well. I'll try to get out my copy tonight and post his initials and finals.

Steve


      

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