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CONLANG  October 2008, Week 3

CONLANG October 2008, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Juvenile fooleries (was Re: Neanderthal and PIE (Long!))

From:

Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:32:11 -0500

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On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Mark J. Reed wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier  
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I also dabbled with a conworld featuring a "classic-style"
>> Atlantis drowning in the mid-Atlantic when I was in my teens.
>> My Atlantis was a high-tech, even starfaring, civilization
>> that eventually bombed itself out of existence (however, it
>> was too late to meddle with Neanderthals: I placed it about
>> 10,000 BC), but left behind a few colonies in neighbouring
>> planetary systems such as Tau Ceti.
>>
>> Later, I scrapped that universe because I realized that it
>> was way too corny and Dänikenian.
>
> No, no, no.  Not at all!  Now if the Atlanteans were *from* Tau Ceti
> and came to Earth, that'd be Dänikenian. :)

[ In advance, I must warn everyone that this is a long post. I didn't  
mean for it to be, when I started it! If anyone doesn't want to read  
the conworldy parts, there is a linguistics part near the end. ]

I must say the idea that people from the ancient world were  
spacefaring is fascinating; I read a lot of those von Däniken books  
as a kid where early humans came from space, so the idea that early  
humans were the product of alien colonization is fairly mundane to  
me ;) but had never thought about the possibility of early humans  
venturing out themselves.

I also incorporated space colonization and an Atlantis-like submerged  
continent (creatively called Atlan) in my childhood and adolescent  
conworld. In that world, about 8000 years before the "present", there  
were no less than three sentient species, only one of which was  
autochthonous, and all the humans (who were from elsewhere) lived on  
this one continent. Of course, that continent was destroyed, but  
several groups of people managed to escape and settled in other parts  
of the world, leading to today's cultures and languages.

For several years I've been trying to decide whether to abandon this  
conworld, or rehabilitate it to be more realistic. I have a few  
possible reasons for the humans to only live on Atlan, e.g. the  
continent was only home to a research outpost, and humans weren't  
actually intent on colonizing; or there were just so few of them that  
they had only one population center; or they had a treaty with the  
natives that said they would only settle there. I tend to envision  
the land as fairly populous and urban, so the first two don't seem to  
fit... although I suppose it could have started as an outpost or  
small settlement and grown huge over the years. I don't see any  
reason why the indigenous species would not have settled there  
themselves... although just as I was writing that, it occurred to me  
that maybe they had a religious or superstitious reason to avoid it  
(and perhaps with good reason, since it *did* get destroyed after  
all!) :)

Still more problematic is how and why the continent was destroyed.  
Although the conworld in question has supernatural as well as sci-fi  
elements, I'm mostly ruled out the trope that Atlan was destroyed  
because it was morally corrupt. Another line of thinking holds that  
Atlan was either artificial, or was held up artificially somehow, and  
perhaps a mechanical failure caused it to be submerged. (Hmm, if it  
was artificial, that would help explain why the natives didn't  
colonize it -- it wouldn't have existed until humans created it.)

Then there's the question of how some inhabitants survived. There is  
an idea in my mind that some of them were warned supernaturally, but  
there are no details. And the traditional idea is that they left in  
boats, but I guess there's nothing to say they didn't escape in air  
vehicles instead.

In any case, after settling in different areas of the world, they  
(gradually or suddenly) lost their "high" technology. I guess because  
there were few experts among them, and they didn't have time to bring  
along any books on science and technology, and there was no  
infrastructure such as computer networks or electricity where they  
landed.

Finally, the linguistic part. I've always maintained that the fall of  
Atlan happened about 8000 years before the "present", but also that  
the linguistic diversity of the resulting present world is similar to  
that of Earth, or at least a large landmass like Eurasia. But based  
on that 8000-year figure, I now think the world's languages would be  
about as similar as the Indo-European ones to each other. On the  
other hand, the bands of people landed on several different  
landmasses and were isolated from each other for at least hundreds of  
years, something which is not true of IE. I'm not sure how long their  
year is, either, but I've always assumed it to be similar to our own.

Any thoughts on the logistics of this kind of technological collapse  
population dispersal scenario?

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