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AUXLANG  October 2008, Week 4

AUXLANG October 2008, Week 4

Subject:

Re: World government = world language? (< "Artificial" prejudice)

From:

Matthew Barnett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:01:58 +0000

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Risto Kupsala wrote:
> Dmitri Ivanov wrote:
>  > The good side is that Sambahsa is rich in expressivity, you can be
>  > sure that you can say or write anything in it, in all subtle details.
>  > A lot of fiction in Sambahsa proves it.
> 
> Sambahsa's expressivity is of the type that requires that you have a 
> dictionary at hand all the time. When I read fiction I prefer to hold 
> only one book, not two, in my hands.
> 
>  > What is better: a simple but
>  > expressionless language or a complex but powerful one? If adoption of
>  > an IAL will at all depend on the qualities of the very IAL, then such
>  > feature as expressivity matters first.
> 
> A simple language can be expressive too. Maybe it requires sometimes a 
> few more words to say the same thing, but that is compensated by shorter 
> learning time and better chances of being understood. The listener might 
> actually know the words that you are using!
> 
> Sometimes I have been in situation where someone wants to say something 
> in English to a foreigner and asks me what's the correct word. I tell 
> the correct word, he uses it and the foreigner doesn't know it! There's 
> the danger of such concept of expressivity. It's elitism. Most people 
> don't have time, energy and motivation to learn subtleties that give 
> very little utility in return.
> 
>  > In general, the question of simplicity is tricky. Esperanto is not
>  > simple at all. Even Neo Patwa is not as easy as falling off a log.
> 
> But I dare to argue that Neo Patwa is a kind of language that could be 
> learned passively by anyone. Imagine that!
> 
Perhaps it would be better to have a language which has a small basic 
vocabulary and a simple grammar for quick and easy learning initially, 
but also an additional vocabulary (and supplementary grammar?) for more 
subtlety and expressivity once the basics are learned.

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