In message <[log in to unmask]>, Lou Burnard
<[log in to unmask]> writes
>It's true that TEI currently has nothing for <ship>s and requires you
>to use <org> (<orgName>, <rs type="org">) for families, institutions,
>peoples, or collectives. Though obviously generic elements like <name>
>and <rs> can be used for them.
The discussion on this topic possibly points up the lack of a coherent
ontology of things-referred-to. Ships, for example, can be seen (at
least in one sense) as a sub-class of objects. The CIDOC CRM springs to
mind as a potential organising principle. This is possibly an area that
the Ontologies SIG could look into?
Having started by asserting that <placeName> etc. should be allowed to
contain anonymous names, I'm now starting to think the opposite: that we
should abandon all the "naming" elements (including <rs>) to their
original purpose and think about having an element whose sole purpose is
to link out to external real-world entities of relevance to the text.
I would argue that even <rs> is compromised for this purpose, since it
is constrained to contain "a general purpose name or referring string".
What if a whole paragraph is about a specific person? What if there is
no particular phrase on which you can hang your external link, and you
want to put it in as a "milestone"? Lou has already commented on the
ambiguity of what the <rs> "type" attribute is meant to be typing.
Should we be simply switching to the use of feature structures for this
type of external reference? (That's what we have done at the Wordsworth
Trust, as we will be mentioning in our talk on Friday.)
>For a project like this one it makes excellent sense to produce your
>own recommendations, preferably as an ODD. This would enable you to
>keep your documentation in step with your schema, as the two evolve,
>and also to document clearly the way in which you tailor the TEI to the
>needs of your application.
>Glad to discuss this further with you...
> Croenen, Godfried wrote:
>> I agree that ships are not that idiosyncratic in historical projects.
>> At the Online Froissart Project we use 8 different types for name
>> ‘person’, ‘place’, ‘event’ (the battle of Crécy),
>>‘family’ (the Plantagenets),
>> ‘institution’ (Notre Dame of Paris), ‘people’ (the Scots),
>> (the barons of England).
>> See our draft document
>>http://pcwww.liv.ac.uk/~gcroenen/Guidelines.pdf, p. 23ff.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TEI (Text Encoding Initiative) public discussion list
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of stuart yeates
>>> Sent: 04 November 2008 19:33
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Anonymous placeNames and (persNames)
>>> Gabriel Bodard wrote:
>>>> Would there be any support for adding elements such as these to the
>>>> element menu? (Leaving aside <shipRef> which is idiosyncratic, the
>>>> three balance placeName, personName, and orgName nicely.)
>>> It may be idiosyncratic, but at the NZETC we have a great deal of truck
>>> with ship names. See for example:
>>> Stuart Yeates
>>> Te P?taka K?rero o Te Whare W?nanga o te ?poko o te Ika a M?ui
>>> http://www.nzetc.org/ New Zealand Electronic Text Centre
>>> http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/ Institutional Repository
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