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CONLANG  November 2008, Week 2

CONLANG November 2008, Week 2

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Re: Set of basic adpositions

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:14:35 +0000

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David J. Peterson wrote:
> Tok Pisin has two: bilong (genitive), and long (all else).

Presumably the meaning is made clearer, if necessary, with additional 
words such as adverbs.

I guess I should take a good look at other creole languages as well.

I wondered if anyone had done anything with adpositions, similar to what 
Berlin and Kay did with color terms. But we cannot, of course, infer 
from Tok Pisin that if a language has only two adpositions, one will 
denote a genitive relation & the other all other relations for the 
simple reason that the genitive relation is so often expressed _without_ 
an adposition in many languages.

> Even languages like French and Spanish, though, started out
> with just the three (a, de, and en), adding others as the language
> was fleshed out (often in combination with the original three).

I know that in Old French it was only those three that formed 
contractions with the definite article (in modern French it's only à and 
de that retain such contractions; contracted forms with _en_ survive 
only in archaism like 'maître ès arts' "master in-the arts", i.e. M.A.), 
and that words like _dans_ and _avec_ began life as adverbs. But _par_ 
derives from Latin preposition _per_, and _pour_ from VL */por/ (= CL 
/pro:/. Did they change from VL prepositions to adverbs in Proto-French 
before becoming prepositions again?
===========================================

deinx nxtxr wrote:
[snip]
 > Sasxsek has a set of basic (CV) prepositions and an extended set
 > that are derived using the "-u" suffix.

What criteria did you use in determining your basic set?

 > Basic
 >
 > 	tu		= at (locative)
 > 	fu		= to, toward
 > 	mu		= away from
 > 	bu		= opposed to, against, anti, contra
 > 	iu		= of (genitive)
 > 	ku		= with (comitative)
 > 	nu		= without, sans
 > 	ju		= using, with (instrumental)
 > 	su		= via, through
 > 	lu		= called, named, by the name of

Interesting - but I would not have expected "called, named, by the name 
of" to be among the _basic_ set.

-- 
Ray
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