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Re: A Font for Pictographs

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Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:32:00 +0000

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The font sounds like a great way to type IPA! Character Palette is only good
for minimal use. But when I tried to download your font it turned up a
missing page warning...
Eugene

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:35 AM, David J. Peterson <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Oh, I can tell you why--and let me tell you, when the change
> occurred, I was NOT happy.
>
> I, as some may or may not know, am a 100% Mac person, and
> have been since I started using computers (my first was an Apple
> IIe).  Back when I started in linguistics, Mac was still running OS 9
> (now known as "Classic" [well, actually now non-existent: what
> *used* to be known as "Classic" during the early days of OS X]).
> In those days, you'd download a font like the SIL font, and all
> the characters would be mapped to keystrokes, as the following
> (on the left is the keystroke, on the right is the X-SAMPA character
> [which, of course, would print out as an IPA character]):
>
> s = [s]
> S = [S]
> z = [z]
> Z = [Z]
> e = [e]
> E = [E]
> d = [d]
> D = [D]
>
> etc.
>
> You can see why this would be an ideal system.
>
> Anyway, I used to use this font called the Kansas University
> Linguistics Department IPA font (called KULDIPA2).  I liked this
> font because it allowed you to write *all* the upper and lower
> case letters, *and* it had most of the run-of-the-mill IPA symbols.
> This way, when I wrote up my dictionaries in AppleWorks (another
> defunct program), I could just use one font for the whole thing.
> What a relief!  The way it worked, though, was it made use of
> Apple's "alt" key and the "alt+shift" combination, and mapped
> most every symbol to a bunch of weird places, e.g.:
>
> alt+5 = [E]
> alt+6 = [U]
> alt+k = [D]
>
> They were totally counter-intuitive, but once you learned the
> keystroke for each character, you could write up an entire
> document with one font, including upper case letters *and*
> punctuation.  It was wonderful!
>
> Then came OS X.  Of course, it was wonderful in many ways.
> One thing it did, though, was it killed these fonts that are created
> just like the fonts I make (which is why Sidaan's font displays
> correctly, by the way), because it opened up Unicode to Macs.
> Because of that, *all* the SIL fonts switched to Unicode mappings.
> This is why if you download and install a SIL font now and just
> type, it looks just like an ordinary font.  In order to properly use
> it, you have to use the Mac's "Character Palette", which, in my
> opinion, is hopelessly inefficient.  Of course, for philosophical
> reasons, this is better (if you type shift+a, you should get the
> grapheme "capital A", not some other character), but it makes
> life difficult for conlangers.  In fact, the result of this was once
> I switched over, it just about destroyed all my old documents.
> That Kansas University font didn't work at ALL anymore, and
> I had to go back and replace EVERY SINGLE ENTRY in just
> about every dictionary I had using that font.  I'm still not done
> with Zhyler, in fact (which is why, I don't know if anyone's
> noticed, I haven't done anything with that language in, oh,
> about...three, four years?  My old dictionary still isn't fully
> converted yet!).
>
> So, what to do?  Well, I did a couple of things.  First, all the fonts
> I create are mapped to keystrokes I know, using the old alt and
> alt+shift Mac rows (it probably doesn't make much sense to
> Windows users, but it does to me).  Second (and this is relevant
> for you, Eric), I created a new font called DaveIPA.  What is it?
> It's the old SIL font.  The only difference is I created it so it works
> just like the old one does--just like the mapping above.  If you
> download this font and install it, it'll work just like the old one.
> Using my font creation program, I basically opened up the new
> SIL font, scrolled down to the Unicode locations of the IPA characters,
> and pasted them into the places where I was used to them being,
> and made that a font.  This font certainly isn't as useful as the
> regular SIL font for those who are used to dealing with Unicode,
> but you might rather like it, Eric.  If you'd like to give it a whirl,
> you can download it here:
>
> http://dedalvs.free.fr/dl/daveipa.ttf
>
> I understand that this is a Mac-only, non-ideal stop-gap solution,
> but until there's a better way to Unicode on a Mac, I'm sticking
> with my font.
>
> -David
> *******************************************************************
> "sunly eleSkarez ygralleryf ydZZixelje je ox2mejze."
> "No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn."
>
> -Jim Morrison
>
> http://dedalvs.free.fr/
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2008, at 10∞24 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
>
>  On Dec 13, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
>>
>>  On Dec 13, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Gary Shannon wrote:
>>>
>>>  --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The font has been corrected to work properly with Microsoft Internet
>>>> Explorer. The new version has been uploaded to my page:
>>>>
>>>> <http://fiziwig.com/glyph/fragz01.html>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone gotten it working on a Mac? I'm having no luck.
>>>
>>
>> Also (and maybe this is part of the reason it's not working for me), could
>> someone help me out with symbol-encoded fonts on Macs? There are certain
>> fonts - like Symbol and the old SIL 93 IPA fonts - which don't seem to work
>> in OS X like on Windows. Namely, in Windows if you select Symbol and start
>> typing normal ASCII characters with it, they come out as Greek letters of
>> other symbols; but in OS X it just shows regular Roman text. Why is that,
>> and is there a way to change it?
>>
>> That seems to be true of some conscript fonts on web pages too - they show
>> up as regular Roman text. For some reason, David's Sidaan font displays
>> correctly.
>>
>

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