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AUXLANG  January 2009, Week 3

AUXLANG January 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: A look at Occidental

From:

MacLeod Dave <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:51:30 +0900

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>> But Gode had a stronger case than you do, and it applies as well to Occ
>> and
>> other "Eurolangs": the words aren't simply yanked out of their linguistic
>> context; they retain their old associations, linguistic, historical,
>> literary,
>> and so on. That's the whole reason for claiming that Ia (etc. ) isn't
>> artificial
>> and wasn't created.
>>
>> But what of the worldlangs? As Dave has pointed out, forms (not words as
>> such)
>> are yanked out of their proper context, like removing organs from a group
>> of
>> people and trying to cobble them together into a new person. An average
>> heart
>> here, an average liver there, and after a while, a statistically average
>> human
>> being has been created.
>
> Words are yanked out of their proper context always when people learn
> foreign languages. They make some kind of mapping between the words of their
> native language and the words of the language they are learning. Mostly it
> is inaccurate. In addition they have to compensate their small vocabulary by
> overgeneralization, using the words of the target language very broadly. The
> result is that anything that they say never sounds right for the natives.
>
> Languages like Interlingua re-create the same situation. There are those who
> are at home in it, and those who aren't. Worldlangs are different. They
> level the playing field by yanking words out of their original context.
> That's neutrality. World IAL should be a platform for inclusive global
> culture, not exclusive Latinate culture or whatever Bob and Dave are trying
> to sell.

Dude, are you *ever* going to try to stop portraying me as some
purveyor of Latinate culture? I told you, many times before, that what
concerns me the most is

*a single source or small related source of languages*

because of derivation, making it easier for the users to guess at what
the forms of unknown words should be. I told you, many times before,
that that means that I would support an IAL based on Turkic languages,
or Finno-Ugric, or any other combination that works. If the
governments of Estonia and Finland decided to put some serious funding
behind a language based on the two but easy to learn you can bet I'd
give it my full support.

So, one question: are you ever going to stop characterizing me as a
purveyor of Latinate culture or whatever false impression of me you're
trying to sell? Once or twice can be attributed to an error; now it
looks like you're intentionally ignoring what I've already told you
many times before.

Seriously, Risto.


-- 
http://mithridates.blogspot.com

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