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Re: ts (<: Phonotactics)

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:14:21 +0100

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Gary Shannon wrote:
> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, <deinx nxtxr> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> FWIW: I say [tsunami] too, but then we're about to start another
>> YAEPT.
>> 
> 
> That you all for the clarification. Actually, my original question,
> which was due to my own relative ignorance of academic linguistics,
> was based on the fact that I saw two consonants together and,
> naively, called that a "consonant cluster". Clearly a "consonant
> cluster" is something other than just two or more consonants jammed
> together, although just what that "something other" might be escapes
> me. :)

Not sure what you mean by "jammed together." But a consonant cluster is 
"any sequence of consonants occurring initially or finally in a 
syllable" [Crystal]. So, yes, two or more consonants occurring as the 
onset or coda of a syllable constitute a consonant cluster.

I assume when you write "the fact that I saw two consonants together 
and, naively, called that a 'consonant cluster'" was not referring to 
conventional _written_ Romanization of Japanese (tho I notice you did 
originally write: "I thought 'tsunami' was a Japanese word. I can't 
think of any native English words that start with a 'TS' cluster."). If 
we go just by written_representation then we'd be calling English _sh_ 
or German _sch_ a consonant cluster, which is absurd as both represent a 
_single_ sound, namely, [S] (for which, indeed, many writing systems 
have a single symbol).

It is true, however, that in phonetic representation, especially in 
emails, the initial sound of Japanese [ts)unami] is more often than not 
written [ts]. But strictly a tie bar should be used (or the two elements 
written as _single_ ligatured symbol - maybe that's what you meant by 
'jammed together'), since the sound is a _single_ consonant, namely a 
voiceless alveolar *affricate*.

An affricate is a sound made when air-pressure behind a complete closure 
in the vocal tract is released in such a way as to produce audible 
homorganic friction (i.e. not the friction that accompanies an aspirated 
release - except in the very rare affricate [?h)] ). The initial sounds 
of English _cheap_ and _jeep_ are affricates, as is initial _pf_ in 
German _pfennig_.

Hope that helps to nail down the "something else"      :)

-- 
Ray
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