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Re: Ketchup (was Re: ts (<: Phonotactics))

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Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:01:37 -0700

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Not sure who wrote all this---

> > Agreed.  "Tomato sauce" is a broad category
> which includes marinaras
> > and cocktail sauce - and there's not a whole lot
> of difference 
> > between
> > cocktail sauce and ketchup.

Marinara and other European tomato sauces: chopped onion, tomatoes (preferably skinned/seeded), garlic, oil + assorted herbs as desired.  You can sometimes see the tomato skin/seeds, onion and garlic pieces in the mixture

Ketchup: according to the label on my bottle: tomato puree, vinegar, sugar/high fructose corn syrup, onion powder. I've never made or eaten home-made Ketchup, so don't know whether you can spot the onion pieces, but I doubt it. Probably if you cook them look enough they disintegrate.

Cocktail sauce (for shellfish): yes, basically ketchup plus chili/hot sauce (around 70/30%? resp. depending on desired hotness) + lemon or lime juice, as least as I improvise it. 
> > 
> > > Fried spaghetti, vermicelli, etc., with ketchup
> and various other
> > accompaniments!!  Delicious.

Untried/unheard of chez moi. Chinese fried "chow mein" noodles are made from rice noodle pieces/sticks which puff up dramatically when dropped into hot oil. They're also used in Thai mee krob (sp.).  "Chow mein" IINM simply means 'fried noodles'

Spaghetti all'aglio ed oglio wouldn't (shouldn't) be fried; the oil and garlic are simply in lieu of more complicated sauces.  I can't quite imagine trying to ingest a 9-10in. piece of crunchy spaghetti, even if coiled up.... There are "noodle nests", cooked spagh/wheat noodles coiled up and deep fried; never tried that (a couple disastrous attempts convinced me not to deep-fry)
> > 
> > Yuck.  Sorry, I don't even like ketchup on its
> traditional delivery
> > mechanisms (French fries, hamburgers); 

Never been a fan of it either, though it does make McD's burgers taste less cardboardy ;-)))

This is Tristan, I'm sure: 
> Mum's home-made tomato sauce was to die for. 

But are you using "tomato sauce" for what we call ketchup, or for Italian style marinara etc.??  I suspect = ketchup

...She put it, a years supply (at least, I
> think), in 
> Skipping Girl Vinegar bottles. How does one acquire so many
> vinegar 
> bottles, I have no idea. 

The recipe for ketchup apparently calls for vinegar. As does home-made mint sauce for lamb (my hosts in Canberra made it). Did she do a lot of pickling too??  (Grandmothers did; and an aunt used to make her own ketchup, but I never had any. I made and canned (carefully, in sterilized Mason jars) marinara sauce for several years; none ever went bad, as I'm still here to tell the story.)

In Grace Zia Chu's excellent "Pleasures of Chinese Cooking" (mid-1960s, the first I think to popularize Chinese cooking)-- at least one recipe (Shrimps Szechuan) called for ketchup and chili sauce, of which she commented "[These] were introduced into Chinese cooking during this century. The Chinese find that with the addition of these two sauces food still tastes Chinese but even more flavorful." Still, I never encountered tomato-y things in Chinese restaurants in Indonesia-- one oddity though, a delicious crabmeat and _white_ asparagus soup, which Chinese restaurants in the US seem never to have heard of.  Surely the Dutch introduced white asparagus.

In the 60s you could only find woks in Chinese stores in major cities; ditto ginger-root and all the special dried ingredients (mushrooms, shrimp, tree ears, golden needles, rice/soy noodles etc) and bottled sauces (Hoisin, duck, oyster, Chinese light/dark soy sauce, maybe nuoc mam, etc)-- all imported. Now more or less available in many supermarkets, even in my little Asian-free town (moreso in nearby Holland MI, where there are many SE Asians) --often US-made and not as good :-(   You had to learn several methods of chopping/slicing plus of course basic stir-frying, and lose your fear of working with really hot oil......The first time I did something stir-fried for my mother, she screamed "You'll burn it!!!" No I didn't.....



      

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