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CONLANG  April 2009, Week 3

CONLANG April 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: adposition (was: The rhotic as a vowel)

From:

Tristan McLeay <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:26:43 +0200

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On 17/04/09 18:42:38, Mark J. Reed wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > I think it's the right analysis that prepositions can be used
> without an
> > object ("intransitively") in English, and that a whole lot of words
> > traditionally counted as both preposition and adverb, and even some
> that are
> > traditionally just adverbs, in fact are in fact simply preposition.
> 
> I admit that until I started studying linguistics, I had completely
> failed to notice the breakdown of "preposition" into "pre" +
> "position", but it still felt weird to call things prepositions that
> didn't go in the usual prepositional place.  Maybe I subconsciously
> noticed the derivation, although it's more likely I noticed the 
> "prep"
> ( as in "prepare" ) rather than the "pre-" per se.
> 
> But regardless of the actual lexical category of the "preposition",
> the analysis I've seen of English's many verb + preposition complexes
> regards many of them as novel lexemes, separate from either element 
> by
> itself.  Turning a verb into a different verb altogether doesn't feel
> like a very prepositionlike (or postpositionlike or adpositionlike)
> function.  Maybe my idea of what constitutes a prepositionlike
> function is too limited, but it feels like at that point they're some
> other kind of particle.

There's two kind of verb + pseudo-preposition complexes in English, 
plus verb + stranded prepositions. In (1), the verb "to give up" can't 
obviously be decomposed into "give" and "up" in any real sense, and 
it's one of your "novel lexemes". In (2), the verbs "to look up" and 
"to come with" (colloq.) are more possibly decomposable: maybe there's 
not anything concrete (2 a) or maybe there's an obviously implied 
object (2 b, being "us" or "me") but looking up is the same regardless 
of if you're just looking up or if you're looking up a tube. I will 
skip discussing the stranded prepositions in (3) for now; I include 
them here only because I feel they're somehow intuitively similar to 
the cases in (2), even though their argument is explicitly there 
somewhere in the sentence.

  (1)   John gave up.
  (2 a) John looked up.
  (2 b) John came with.
  (3)   What's he looked up?

Notice how (1) "to give up" becomes a transtive verb when we add 
something after it (4), whereas "to look up" and "to come with" clearly 
become a verb + prepositional phrases (5):

  (4)   John gave up fishing.
  (5 a) John looked up the barrel of his gun.
  (5 b) John came with us.

Sometimes the verb form can even look similar:

  (6 a) John looked up the word "tube".
  (6 b) John looked up the tube.

But they can be easily distinguished if you use a pronoun:

  (7 a) John looked it up.
  (7 b) John looked up it.

  [I think (7 b) sounds a bit funny there, but if we include it in 
   context it becomes quite fine:

     (7 b') So there's a tube on the building over there and John's 
           looked up it and a spider came out.                    ]

The cases in (1), (4), (6a), (7a), I think, are not really 
prepositions. They're also not verbs: the verb is "to give up", "to 
look up". But syntactically, they do behave much like prepositions. The 
difference of behavior in (7a) and (7b) is caused by what's governing 
what. "Up" doesn't govern "it" in (7a) so the word order with respect 
to those two words is free, so something else makes the choice (and it 
serves to require them to inflexibly be in the opposite order).

In (7a) "up" doesn't have an adverbial function; it does in (7b), but 
that doesn't make it an adverb ("up the tree" has an adverbial 
function, but it doesn't mean there's a word "up the tree" that's an 
adverb). I think in the examples the preposition-like words are all 
from the same class, and they're all consistently in that class.

So "to look _ up", "to give _ up" the "up" clearly has a separate 
identity from its identity in the combined structure. In all cases of 
verbs "to x _ y", both x and y exist elsewhere in the language: x is 
always a verb or a word class that can be zeroderived into verbs (i.e. 
any word), and y is always a preposition. The example in (8) implies 
the example in (9) could exist assuming appropriate definitions:

  (8)   John fooed him baz.
         (implies)
  (9)   John barred baz him.

(If (8) seems fine and (9) doesn't, it's because you're parsing (8) 
wrongly, with "baz" as another argument or an adverb.)

I haven't tried to *prove* that or really convince anyone of anything, 
I've just tried to identify the cases, show that we're dealing with two 
separate categories, and then stated my opinion about how to deal with 
them. I don't think I know enough to work out what I need to do to 
actually convince anyone that the words in question are all 
prepositions (or adpositions or tomatoes or whatever we want to call 
this category) but they fulfil different functions in the different 
contexts. I do hope that all makes sense to someone other than me.

--
Tristan.

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