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CONLANG  April 2009, Week 4

CONLANG April 2009, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Characters

From:

Andrew Jarrette <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:46:45 -0000

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--- In [log in to unmask], "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...> wrote:
> > --- In [log in to unmask], "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@> wrote:
> >>
> >> And what operating system and web browser are you using?
> > Windows 2000 and Mozilla Firefox.  I'm still looking to find out where I saw the strange characters.
>
>
> Is it possible it was in a quoted reply from someone else? We do
> have some subscribers who still have trouble with such characters, so
> even though they may go out of your computer fine and come back fine,
> they can get mangled in someone else's quotation of your text.
>
> > I believe I use ASCII codes? I'm really rather deficient in terminology and technological
> > know-how
>
> The deficiency is on the part of the technologists who haven't managed
> to make this stuff transparent to the foolks who don't have the
> know-how yet. It's like having to be a mechanic just to start up your
> car and drive it to the grocery store.
>
> Anyway, ASCII (the American Standard Code for Information Interchange)
> is the common subset of characters that works just about everywhere:
> plain letters with no diacritical marks, some punctuation (including
> standalone diacritical marks that were intended to be used as
> overstrikes back when everything was printed on paper), etc;
> basically, the characters you can type on the keyboard with bare keys
> and shifted keys, with no alt key. There are only 128 characters in
> ASCII, and 25% of those are taken up by control codes, most of which
> aren't used much in plain text.
>
> The accented characters, characters in other alphabets, etc, come from
> a much larger character repertoire called Unicode, which has room for
> over a million different characters, not nearly filled, with
> characters from all over the world and the distant past as well as the
> present. We want everything to be in Unicode all the time, and we're
> getting there.
>
> But we're not there yet. In between ASCII and Unicode there were a
> bunch of other character sets, each designed for a particular region
> or purpose, each only double the size of ASCII. The problem is
> there's no way to tell just by looking at the data what character set
> it's supposed to be in. So now we have text flying around in all
> sorts of different encodings, being converted to and from Unicode and
> plain-ASCII encodings of Unicode, and it's very complicated and easy
> for the software (or the programmer) to get wrong.
>
> Someday.
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
>

Nevertheless, thanks very much for the informative and helpful reply. Good to know that there are people like you in cyberspace. (Now, is that a correct use of modern technological terminology?)

Andrew Jarrette

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