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CONLANG  April 2009, Week 4

CONLANG April 2009, Week 4

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Re: Null aspect

From:

Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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-----Original Message-----
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 at 12:47:11 -0700, Garth Wallace wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Eugene Oh wrote:
> > 2009/4/22 R A Brown
> >
> >> What it means is that AG did not have a "future tense" in the proper
sense
> >> of that term any more than English has. In English we express the
notion of
> >> futurity by using modal auxiliaries such as 'will', 'shall'; in AG they
> >> developed a discrete aspect, the prospective aspect.

[YA]  Thanks, as always, to Ray for a fascinating and informative
set of contributions to this discussion!  Ray, you have a knack of
shedding light, and I, for one, am very glad you're on this list.


> > Ah! A quick google (as opposed to Google, which is always quick, judging
by
> > the number of seconds it takes for them to turn up millions of results)
> > turns up as the clearest explanation Rick Harrison's article from the
> > Journal of Planned Languages - <
> > http://www.rickharrison.com/language/aspect.html>.
> >
> > Does anyone have any comments on his suggestion of "retrospective" as a
> > replacement for "perfect"? He is on this list IIRC so he probably could
> > respond. (: My personal reservation is that it is too redolent of "past
> > tense".

[YA]  And Eugene's questions and thoughts have certainly furthered
this particular discussion - even if its ambit has widened somewhat -
and somewhat unavoidably - from the original focus on aspect.


> I've always liked it. It does tend to imply absolute-relative tense
> more than a currently relevant state, however.

[YA]  The only other possible replacement for "perfect" that seems
to me of the essence is "complete" (or "completed").


> Which brings up something I've been wondering: since perfect aspect
> and past-in-X absolute-relative tense have such similar meanings, are
> there any examples of natlangs distinguishing between the two?

[YA]  [ObConLang]  Does anyone have, or know of, a conlang
with a fully formed past-in-future, future-in-past, or
<relative.tense>-in-<absolute.tense> (or more complex)
tense?


Regards,
Yahya
  _____

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Enjoy learning about Uiama, a conlang (constructed language) at:
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