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CONLANG  April 2009, Week 4

CONLANG April 2009, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Greek miscellanea

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:08:08 +0100

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Philip Newton wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 15:34, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> in modern Greek the wish is
>> always θέλω να+subjunctive, while future is θα να+subjunctive.
> 
> Future is just θα, without να, + subjunctive.

Groans - slaps head - I was having a prolonged senior moment   :(

Yes, of course its only θα + subjunctive, θα being the final contraction 
θέλω' να.

> Incidentally, I think Albanian has a similar construction (and maybe
> other members of the Balkan sprachbund?); IIRC it's "dua të <inf>" for
> "I want to X" and "do të <inf>" for "I will X", with the latter
> deriving from the former diachronically.

I don't know about "I want to ..", but the future is the invariable _do 
të' _ subjunctive. IIRC Albanian, like modern Greek, doesn't have an 
infinitive, but uses të+subjunctive instead.

Romanian does retain an infinitive form of the verb, but frequently uses 
să + subjunctive where its western sisters would use an infinitive. One 
of the ways of forming the future is to use the invariable is to use the 
invariable particle _o_ followed by a să-clause. This, however, is 
considered very colloquial; still colloquial is 'to have' (a avea) 
followed by a să-clause. These colloquial forms would seem to be in 
keeping with the Balkan sprachbund. However the more formal way of 
forming the future is with a special auxiliary - vor, vei, va, vom, 
veţi, vor - plus the infinitive (ah! that's more like a Romance lang  :)

The Bulgarian verb looks quite horrendous; but from what I understand, 
the future is the invariable ще /Ste/ followed by the present tense.

-- 
Ray
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