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CONLANG  April 2009, Week 5

CONLANG April 2009, Week 5

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Re: ai Basata Syntax ideas (kinda long)

From:

Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

...
> I call it "verb chaining".


Good name. It describes what's going on.
 
> The object of the first SVO becomes the subject of the
> second; the two verbs
> "to put" and "to be underneath" are linked by "my shoe";
> hence the term
> "verb chain".
> You indicate that the preposition in ai Basata is built
> into the verb... so
> would you need a verb for "put-underneath" ?

One of my permitted forms is SVOpO so "I put the sock underneath the bed." is acceptable as it stands, where "underneath" is the "p". The built-in prepositions are thosethat apply to the DIRECT object. Like "I live-in that house.", or "I went-to the store."

> How would you parse out "We elected him president"? In
> Qakwan it analyses
> out simply as "We elected him to be president," so it's
> just another verb
> chain.

Probably by using the form that allows an entire SVO to be the object of an SV: SV[that]SVO: "We caused [that] he became president." or maybe "We voted so-that he became president." Or maybe "as" can be treated like a preposition and simply say "SVOpO: We elected him AS president." I'm not sure. I'll have to ponder that one a bit.

> "I helped paint the fence" is, again, a verb chain,
> with a null link
> between "helped" and "paint".
> 

I was thinking along the lines of verbal affixes so that "help-to-paint" is a compound verb like "like-to-run", "must-not-forget", or "hope-to-see". So the verbs would almost be agglutinating, while the noun phrases and prepositional phrases are all isolating.

Most of the forms end up sounding a lot like ordinary English syntax, but a lot of what is valid syntax in English is not valid in this system, and vice versa.

--gary

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