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CONLANG  April 2009, Week 5

CONLANG April 2009, Week 5

Subject:

artlang advocacy/evangelism (was "Re: Yes, Conlangs can help endangered natlangs (FWD from conlang-l)")

From:

Brett Williams <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:03:45 -0400

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Paul Kershaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> From: Sai Emrys <[log in to unmask]>
>> (I suppose this means that advocacy of artlangs has no home. OTOH, I think
>> this has never come up because artlangers don't tend to care about
>> proselytization of their languages...)
>
> I would think that advocating for an artlang would be on the basis of it being
> an auxlang, and therefore would be tantamount to advocating an auxlang.
>
> I suppose one could also advocate an artlang within certain confines, such
> as insisting that all fantasy books henceforth only use Sindarin and Quenya.
> Hmm. It could happen. :)


Whatever is the right place for it, I would actually very much like to
see more artlang advocacy... or perhaps that's not the right word for
it... I would like to see more people learning each other's artlangs.
I think there's room between languages known to a single person and
languages that won't feel truly fulfilled until they've outpaced
English and Chinese.  There's a lot of middle ground to explore in
there, right?

Very few Lojbanists for instance believe that Lojban would be a good
choice for an auxlang or anything, but we do occasionally at least
suggest in public that Lojban is fun to learn-- basically just because
we like to have more people to talk to. :)  Of late drumming up
interest has been a very minor concern of ours, though: Ever since we
were XKCD'd we've had far more students than we can actually teach.
Klingon, Toki Pona, and Laadan are some other conlangs successfully
attracting a target community much smaller than everyone in the world.

Another idea I've had is a language designed for a certain, fixed,
small population of speakers (I imagined as few as half a dozen), each
with some special role in the language, like each with words that
relate particularly to them.  Such a language might need to evangelize
temporarily until its slots were full, then perhaps to replace people
who drift off, but otherwise would just stably exist.  I don't have
any vision to develop that idea any more than that, but if someone
else took that ball and ran with it, I could fill one of the slots. :)

I don't see any need for people to start specifically begging for
speakers, though it wouldn't hurt to simply state that you'd be open
to teaching someone your language, but rather I'd like it if we all
just started to see the descriptions and examples that are already
posted here as implicit invitations, and we each chose a few of each
other's works to explore more actively.  Some people might say no to
someone who wanted to speak their language, but I think many of us
would say yes, and as a movement I think this would help deepen our
whole artform: There are aspects and qualities of language that emerge
and change when it is used socially.

I would be especially curious to hear about any languages here that
are spoken by just two people already.  I'm trying to learn Jim
Henry's gjax-zym-byn, so hopefully as I succeed gzb will become such a
language.  Jim is certainly not trying to take over the world, in fact
I think he's quite surprised even one person is undertaking his
language, though I do think he'd tolerate a third speaker someday too.
:)  Aren't there any other languages out there that have reached only
that point?  Haven't any of you conlangers taken up serious study of
each other's work?  I'm maybe looking for role models, I guess.  I'm
reminded of that fellow who supposedly knocked at Zamenhof's door
already speaking fluent Esperanto-- what was his name-- Antoni
Grabowski... I'm looking for a more recent role model than him. :>

And if you can accept rejection, which is the most likely alternative
as sadly I can't learn every language in the world :(, I would
actually enjoy being pitched to by anyone who has a language they'd
really like someone to learn.  Even if I don't have time to study your
language in depth, I might be able to do a few beginner lessons and
make some babytalk, if that would be helpful/interesting to you.

Also btw for anyone who would like to invent some language and have it
immediately put to use by at least three speakers, please write to me
about my sleepy project qww'xzx aka Queen William, which is still in
search of a court grammarian. :)

<3,
mungojelly
 aka
la stela se ckiku
 aka
bret-ram

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