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CONLANG  May 2009, Week 1

CONLANG May 2009, Week 1

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Re: focus and patient

From:

Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 6 May 2009 12:56:03 -0400

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I don't think I would word #2 in Alurhsa with the mongoose as a direct
object. Direct object in Alurhsa would always be for patient, indirect
object would always be for recipient.

So in #2-1 the mongoose is direct object and the snake is indirect,
while in #2-2 they're simply reversed.

In #1-A the blanket is direct object, and he/him is indirect, while in
#1-B the blanket is instrumental while he/him is direct object.

Giving the actual examples, then:

1-A) Dhen˙ cëlál˙ livěnán. (he/him[DAT] give[1st-pres.] blanket[ACC])
1-B) Dhen telámál˙ livěnáxná. (he/him[ACC] cover[1st-pres. blanket[INSTR])
2-1) Áscëlál˙ zhë kászënán zhë szendán˙. (present[1st-pres.] the
mongoose[ACC] the snake[DAT])
2-2) Áscëlál˙ zhë kászenán˙ zhë szendán. (present[1st-pres.] the
mongoose[DAT] the snake[ACC])


Larry Sulky wrote:
> In my conlang Qakwan, I'm trying to establish a rule that says that the
> patient of the verb sits in the direct object position, and the recipient,
> if any, is an oblique object. But I'm getting derailed by these English
> examples:
>
> A) I give a blanket to him.
> B) I cover him with a blanket.
>
> In both examples, "a blanket" is the patient -- more specifically, the thing
> that is transacted. But in (A) it sits in direct object position, while in
> (B) it is an oblique object and the recipient is the direct object. I'm
> having a hard time choosing which model is the more common or makes the most
> sense. Here's another that really bakes my noodle:
>
> 1) I present the mongoose to the snake.
> 2) I present the mongoose with the snake.
>
> In both these sentences, "the mongoose" is the direct object of "present".
> But in (1), "the mongoose" is the patient of the verb, in (2) it's the
> recipient.
>
> Have any of you tried to establish a similar rule in your langs?
>
> ---larry
>

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