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CONLANG  May 2009, Week 2

CONLANG May 2009, Week 2

Subject:

Re: TABRATSA

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 14 May 2009 07:34:00 +0100

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Mark J. Reed wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Martin Di Maggio <[log in to unmask]>
>> When I say English I am referring to the British pronunciation as I am British.
> 
> Please don't get defensive, as we're just trying to help you increase
> the clarity of your description.  You're not under attack. :)
> 
> But when you say "the British pronunciation", which one do you mean?
> Let's assume you mean RP. That doesn't change anything I wrote.

Indeed not.

[snip]

> maybe)..  And even in RP, I don't think the vowels line up the way you
> indicated; I haven't heard [o] in "hot" in any native English dialect.

None that I know of. In RP it's [ɒ] (CXS [Q]) - that, I think, is fairly 
standard in British dialects.

>   And doesn't RP "hat" have [æ]?  

Yes, it is - but [a] is used in the north of England, most of Wales (the 
south east coastal belt has [æ]) and Highland Scots English (the various 
Lowland dialects AFAIK vary between varieties of [æ] & [a] - I find 
these a mine-field and am loath to comment on them ).


> Or is it in the BATH lexical set?  I
> was under the impression that membership there required a fricative
> coda, but I freely admit to ignorance on that front.

Another mine-field, partly because this has been changing over the past 
half century or more, nor do all speakers that have BATH as [bAT] agree 
on the words that do have [A]   ;)

But, yes, BATH is one of the words that has [ɑ] (that should be Unicode 
U+0251 - my mailer doesn't display properly - CXS [A]) - but this is a 
peculiarity of English of south-east England & RP and, yes, such words 
do have a fricative coda - on the other hand, a fricative coda does not 
necessarily trigger , e.g. I've never heard 'gas' pronounced as  [gAs]   ;)

-- 
Ray
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wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
[J.G. Hamann, 1760]
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