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CONLANG  May 2009, Week 4

CONLANG May 2009, Week 4

Subject:

Re: The art of conlang critique (was Re: how to tell when you're conlang's complete-an idea)

From:

Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:44:05 -0700

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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>> Yes.  As I said several times, each conlang ought to be gauged
>>> against its design goals (express or implied) set by the author.
>>> This should be, I think, the very first rule of conlang critique.
>
>> Just being the devil's advocate here. One of the commonly held rules
>> of contemporary literary criticism is the rejection of authorial
>> intent: the only thing that matters is what is communicated, not what
>> the author intended to communicate (or says they intended to
>> communicate). This may get a bit hairy when the text is itself a means
>> of communication...
>
> This may be drifting off topic, but I find this principle
> of ignoring the author's intent to be absurd.  It's one
> thing to avoid baseless speculation about the author's
> intent when little or no information about it is available;
> but why ignore it when you do have clear information?
> That doesn't mean we can't say that, if we didn't
> have access to said author's essay or letter or journal
> or whatever, we would never have figured out that
> he meant to say X, because it isn't clear from the
> text of the novel (e.g.) alone; or that the author documentably failed
> because they said they meant
> to express X but everyone who reads the work
> without knowledge of said intention gets Y out of
> it instead; but why not use all available information
> to interpret what we have, if only on a second or later
> reading...?

Part of it is a reaction to critics relying too heavily on
biographical information about the author for their interpretation
(e.g. X passage means this, because the author was in the middle of a
messy divorce when he wrote it and had been beaten by his father when
he was 2). Part of it is because even interviews and essays by the
author are subject to interpretation, just like the text under
discussion. Part of it is that it's quite possible for someone to say
something they didn't mean to say, and this doesn't negate the fact
that they said it (e.g. it's perfectly valid to write about the
absence of living biological mothers in Disney films and what that
says, even though it's unlikely that the screenwriters meant to say
anything about motherhood). Part of it is because authors can change
their minds, or just be flat out wrong about their own work (e.g. Ray
Bradbury saying in 2007 that Fahrenheit 451 wasn't about censorship,
but was really about television making people illiterate, even though
the general consensus of readers, and even forewords and such written
by Bradbury earlier, supported the censorship interpretation).

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