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CONLANG May 2009, Week 4

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Re: The art of conlang critique (was Re: how to tell when you're conlang's complete-an idea)

From:

Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:54:41 -0400

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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>> Yes.  As I said several times, each conlang ought to be gauged
>> against its design goals (express or implied) set by the author.
>> This should be, I think, the very first rule of conlang critique.

> Just being the devil's advocate here. One of the commonly held rules
> of contemporary literary criticism is the rejection of authorial
> intent: the only thing that matters is what is communicated, not what
> the author intended to communicate (or says they intended to
> communicate). This may get a bit hairy when the text is itself a means
> of communication...

This may be drifting off topic, but I find this principle
of ignoring the author's intent to be absurd.  It's one
thing to avoid baseless speculation about the author's
intent when little or no information about it is available;
but why ignore it when you do have clear information?
That doesn't mean we can't say that, if we didn't
have access to said author's essay or letter or journal
or whatever, we would never have figured out that
he meant to say X, because it isn't clear from the
text of the novel (e.g.) alone; or that the author documentably failed
because they said they meant
to express X but everyone who reads the work
without knowledge of said intention gets Y out of
it instead; but why not use all available information
to interpret what we have, if only on a second or later
reading...?

As for conlangs, we could say that the conlanger hasn't
succeeded in doing what they intended, or that they
succeeded in doing something completely different
instead; but why, again, ignore their intentions when
they've said something about them?

(This connects to something Sally Caves and Suzette
Haden Elgin talked about in the recent Elgin interview
for the LCS Podcast; Sally was talking about how it's
sometimes difficult to figure out what an author meant,
after centuries have passed and cultural context and
special connotations of words have been lost, & Elgin
said that in such circumstances, if the reader doesn't
understand, the author has failed -- which seems silly
to me.  That makes sense w.r.t. a contemporary
author who is not understood by most or all contemporary
readers; but it's not Milton's fault if words he uses that
were perfectly clear to his contemporaries have changed
meaning in such a way that even scholars like Sally
have trouble being sure what he meant in certain
spots.)

-- 
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/

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