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CONLANG  June 2009, Week 1

CONLANG June 2009, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Vowel length in Urianian.

From:

Lars Finsen <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:33:19 +0200

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Alex Fink wrote:

> quoting me:
>
>> I am currently pondering a theory that vowel length in Urianian is
>> modified before clusters. If the last member of the cluster is a
>> stop, the vowel is always *long* no matter its original length. If  
>> the
>> last member is a sonorant or /r/, the vowel is always *long*, no  
>> matter
>> its original length. Otherwise it keeps its original length. What do
>> you think about this?
>
> Was one of the two "long" I've marked out supposed to be a "short"?
>
> If your first "long" is meant to be "short",

Yes, to be sure the first one.

> I'd interpret the facts this way: clusters of the form C+stop have  
> the syllable break between them, but clusters of the form C 
> +sonorant (and why would /r/ not be a sonorant?)

Because it obstructs the airflow significantly, unlike the /r\/, I  
guess. In Urianian I reckon it isn't trilled much. In fact it seems  
it will be only a flap when it occurs as the final part of a cluster,  
but trilled more in other positions.

> are tautosyllabic with the syllable break before both.  So vowels  
> are shortened in closed syllables, perfectly natural; and they're  
> lengthened in open syllables before a complex onset, an odd  
> condition on the rule but it doesn't seem totally implausible.   
> This interpretation would be more credible if Urianian onsets in  
> absolute initial positions have the same restrictions, i.e. C+stop  
> bad, C+son good.

I don't think this is the solution, because the etymologies of the  
words don't suggest this kind of syllable breaking for several of  
them. I'm also beginning to think that the shortening/lengthening  
rules I proposed are not universal. Looks like I have to study each  
word in order to learn its quantities.

> In general, for the sort of syllable-weight reshapings like this  
> I've come across (and I speak as a total amateur), I get the  
> impression they tend to end up making the affected syllables more  
> uniform timing-wise, or the metrical feet closer to the canonical  
> foot type they're supposed to represent, or suchlike.  Also  
> superheavy syllables tend to be dispreferred.

I see. Or rather, I don't. Do you have any examples?

LEF

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