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CONLANG  June 2009, Week 2

CONLANG June 2009, Week 2

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Re: Conlang NaNoWriMo

From:

Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:10:00 -0400

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(This is starting to drift offtopic, but hopefully not too far yet...
Henrik, just tell us if you think we should take this offlist.)

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, kate rhodes<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>> What will probably be even harder for me
>> than completing 5000 words in gzb in a month
>> is plotting tightly enough to make sure the
>> story is finished in not much over 5000 words
>> -- when writing fiction in English I rarely have
>> any clear idea how long a story is going to
>> turn out to be when I start it, even if I have
>> a plot outline before I start, which I usually
>> don't (bad habit, I know).

> Actually, NaNoWriMo encourages people to NOT outline or plan the story
> in advance in any real way. That's one of the liberating things about
> it. The goal is to just write as much as you can as fast as you can.
> Edit it next month. Just get it written. Partially they're trying to
> overcome the "I could never write a novel" complaint you so often
> year.

I don't feel a need for NaNoWriMo w.r.t. writing fiction in English --
I've already proved to myself that I can write novel-length stories in
a reasonable amount of time (one 59,000 word story in 3 months,
another 55,000 words in 5 months, with 2 months break in the middle);
the problems I'm still having relate to plotting and pacing, planning
things out so that I can reliably bring a story to a satisfying end
without having to backtrack and throw away tens of thousands of words,
and generally writing stuff that's good enough to be published.   In
gzb, though, I think it would be fun and useful discipline; I've never
written a complete story in gzb that wasn't extremely short (like
200-300 words), though I've written partial first drafts in gzb that I
later rewrote and finished in English, and I have two stories in
progress that I have reasonable hopes of finishing.


> It's an incredibly valuable lesson in writing too. It forces you to
> just go "ok, what next...." and think up something creative to happen
> to / around your characters. You learn that writers block is BS, and
> that even if your initial "what next" idea sucks, you almost always
> stumble into something that doesn't suck once the words have started
> flowing.

Yeah, that's important.   Going ahead and writing something lame that
you can revise or totally rewrite later is probably less of a waste of
time, in the long run, than just stopping until you figure out
thoroughly what ought to happen next.  In the latter case, there's too
much chance that you simply won't come back to the story at all.  I've
done that way too often.

(ObConlang: does that apply to conlanging as well?  Probably.  For
instance, it seems useful to go ahead and write a bunch of text in
your conlang even when its grammar and lexicon are still in flux; the
text may become totally archaic by the time the grammar stabilizes,
but the exercise of writing in the language probably helps you spot
problems with the grammar you otherwise wouldn't have seen.  Maybe if
you haven't figured out how subordinate clauses work, you can just
adopt a lame ad-hoc structure for them and start writing so you can
exercise and test other areas of the grammar.  I've recently re-read
some journal entries in gzb from 2002 and was surprised at how archaic
they were; I'd thought the grammar had stabilized more by that point
than it had.)

> I'd be really curious to see how fast others write in conlangs they've
> created or learned too.

I'll be doing some experiments with gzb and Toki Pona in the next day
or so and letting you know the results.  I've timed myself writing
journal entries in gzb before but I don't know offhand where I
recorded the results, so I'll have to do it again.

-- 
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/

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