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AUXLANG June 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: "Intensive" verbs

From:

Olivier Simon <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:25:30 -0400

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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:36:31 -0000, Dmitri Ivanov 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:


>> >Dai — (the basic meaning "to give") conveys unexpectedness of action for
>> observers or its unexpected intensity:
>> >dai shwo — blurt out, plump out
>> >
>> ><btw I learn those words only from dictionary, so maybe there are better
>> equivalents. The meaning is saying smth unexpected, not supposed to be
>> said.>
>> >
>> >ela lai a ta e dai darbi ta in nos — she came to him and all of a sudden hit
>> him in the nose
>> >ta dai kwiti molya — he took and abandoned his wife.
>> Wouldn't it be easier and more understandable to use an adverb
>> meaning "unexpectedly" ?
>>
>
>En effet, in all those examples you can just use "turan" (suddenly). But what 
I'm trying to express is some kind of subjective assessment of other's 
behaviour. Here I am basig on Russian more than on anything else. We 
say: "Well, yesterday he gave" and it means that yesterday he did smth 
surprisingly good or surprisingly bad. Another usual phrase: "He gave it out" - 
means that he did smth extremely strange. I wonder if similar usage exists in 
French or English.
>Another connotation that I can see in "give do smth" is a certain sharpness, 
abruptness of action.

No such usage exists in French. Sometimes "donner dans" can mean "to 
indulge in", but it's followed by a substantive, not averb. I only knew "davaj
(te)" as exhortative". In both cases, it seems to be idiomatic of Russian. 
The only important use of the verb for "to give" I can remember elsewhere is 
Luxembourg Frankish where "ginn" both means "to give" and "to become". 
Ex: "D'Lëtzebuergescht gëtt och a Frankräich geschwatt" = "Luxembourgish is 
spoken in France too". 
(Since "goen" (to go) turns to "ginn" at both 1° persons and 3° person of the 
indicative present, there can be some confusions)

In Sambahsa, I have the verbal prefix "vi-" which corresponds to "finally" or 
French "finir par + verb". Some important verbs are: 
"vighab" = "to realise"; "ghab" = "to grasp, understand"
"vistah" = "to stand still"; "stah" = "to stand"

Olivier
http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/ 

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