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CONLANG  June 2009, Week 3

CONLANG June 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Conlang NaNoWriMo

From:

Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:14:27 -0400

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On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM, R. Dan Henry<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:43:09 -0700, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>>Jim Henry wrote:
>>> Take a look, and edit it if you see anything that needs fixing:
>>> http://wiki.frath.net/LoCoWriMo
>
>> I see under "Rules" that the work must be "fictional"-- I assume that
>> means novelistic/short-story-like.

If I implied that, I"m sorry; I don't mean anything that narrow by "fictional".

>> But what about the recounting of a
>> (con-)historical event-- it would certainly contain plot, characters
>> (but perhaps not "development"), maybe/not dialogue, etc. Clearly,
>> anything about the history of Cindu is fictional, but would that
>> count?????

Sure.   Fiction isn't limited to the few narrative forms that are most
popular in our culture.  There are a lot of other possibilities, and
writing something that's fictional w.r.t. the real world but
nonfictional within your conculture seems to me to fit the spirit of
the thing.   I have a couple of fictional works in forms of that kind
planned -- I think I'll write them in English, when I get around to
them, but haven't ruled out doing them for this project: a fantasy
epic in the style of Herodotus, i.e. written as a history rather than
a modern novel, with all the Herodotean digressions and discussions
about different conflicting accounts of events, some of whic the
historian passes judgment on and some of which he leaves entirely up
to the reader to decide about, and a magazine issue from a
science-fictional future or alternate history, with editorial and
letters to the editor and various articles and interviews and columns,
all of which add up to give the reader enough clues to figure out how
the world the magazine comes from differs from ours and some of the
interesting stories that are going on there.

>  a
> religious document which is either a sacred text or a commentary on the
> sacred texts.

...such as Paul Burgess's Mna Sipri Cilama.


> I think fictionality is of limited importance, really. What one wants is
> some original, creative piece of writing that develops in the full use
> of language

> (not a dictionary, ......... nothing that's formulaic and repetitive).

And yet a dictionary needn't be formulaic or repetitive.   There are
literary works in the form of fictional dictionaries or encyclopedias;
Milorad PaviŤ's _Dictionary of the Khazars_, for instance, Robert
Sheckley's "Confluence", and several stories in dictionary form by
Suzette Haden Elgin of LŠadan fame, some of which she's posted on her
LiveJournal from time to time.   Ambrose Bierce's _The Devil's
Dictionary_ isn't quite the same kind of thing, not as story-like, but
it's definitely imaginative literature, not formulaic, repetitive
nonfiction.

Hmm, here's an idea I would be inclined to use if I had an artlang
with a conculture that were anywhere near as developed as gzb is: a
dictionary of hard English words, defined in a conlang from the
conculture's perspective, and implicitly telling a story about the
conculture's first contact with our world and various weird, dramatic,
tragic, funny things that happened.  (Keep in mind that the dictionary
format conventions of a conculture may not be the same as ours; even
in our culture it took a while, I think, for the distinction between
dictionaries and encyclopedias and other reference works to settle
down.)

-- 
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/

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