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CONLANG  June 2009, Week 3

CONLANG June 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: a quick question about opposites

From:

Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:30:40 +0200

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2009/6/18 Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>:
> Mark Reed wrote:
>
>> Klingon has a few "reversed" examples relative to English: par = to dislike, parHa' = to like; Qoch = to disagree; Qochbe' = to agree...
> _Ha'_ seems to form opposites (I note one or two in the wordlist-- Ha' itself isn't listed, perhaps mentioned in the grammar?); what about _be'_ ?

-be' is "not", -Ha' is roughly "wrongly, mis-; undo":

  This negative suffix implies not merely that something is
not done (as does {-be'}), but that there is a change of state:
something that was previously done is now undone. For
convenience, it will here be translated as <undo,> but it is closer
to the English prefixes <mis-, de-, dis-> (as in <misunderstand,
demystify, disentangle>). It is also used if something is done
wrongly. Unlike {-be', -Ha'} can be used in imperatives.
(TKD, 4.3)

As an example, the dictionary compares {bIjatlhHa'chugh} "if you say
the wrong thing; if you mis-speak" and {bIjatlhbe'chugh} "if you don't
speak". (bI- "subject = you, object = none"; jatlh = "speak"; -chugh =
"if".)

I think that -Ha', unlike -be', can also occur on stative verbs that
modify nouns adjectivally.


> (Just a nodding acquaintance with Klingon; when the dictionary first came out I looked it over fairly carefully, and recall being struck by the relative rarity of CV forms)

*nods* Klingon has a distinct preference, I feel, for closed, CVC
syllables. CVCC is also represented but CV is definitely the rarest,
especially if you ignore verb subject/object prefixes (which are all
CV, except for the ones that are zero).

And there are no V or VC syllables at all (though oddly enough there's
a suffix with the shape VC, which makes one wonder what happens if you
tack that onto a noun ending in a vowel, where there's no consonant to
steal to make the syllable onset).

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

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