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AUXLANG  June 2009, Week 5

AUXLANG June 2009, Week 5

Subject:

Re: English - the world's IAL?‏

From:

Brett Williams <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:33:26 -0400

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:46 AM, <deinx nxtxr><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> This is one of the reasons I really don't like Lojban or its cousin Loglan.
>  I like the idea of predicate logic but see the biggest fault here being the
> use of too many arguments.  This means having to learn the argument list for
> each word and having to put a lot of thought into formulating a sentence so
> that the arguments come out in the correct order, complete with placeholders
> for those that are not present.


Lojban's massive argument sets aren't what I would have thought of,
nor its arcane machinery for reordering sentences, but having bothered
to learn them I can say that they're perfectly workable.  It's only a
lot of work to formulate a sentence in Lojban once you're learning it,
and then it becomes simple, as with any language.  It does continue to
feel quite strange to put together a sentence in Lojban, but that's
another matter.


> I have a loglang that I've started.  It uses predicate logic too just like
> Lojban but I've the is nothing with a valency beyond 2, subject and object.
>  Where I'm stuck though is figuring out how to make it so the predicate
> logic can be easily parsed.  This approach involves a lot of nesting of
> phrases within phrases so I'm not sure it would be workable with complex
> sentence structures.


One thing I've learned from Lojban's sprawling chaos is that fewer
long-distance structures isn't necessarily simpler-- the fact that the
structures are different from each other allows you to do scope
resolution.  For instance in Lojban there's a variety of terminators
for various structures: ku, kei, ku'o, be'o.  At first it seems like a
lot of worthless junk to learn, but once you get a handle on it it's
pretty much essential to making understandable sentences.  You've got
to use a variety of parts with a variety of terminators, so that the
terminator clues you to what structure is being closed.  Otherwise,
termination becomes a pile of the same word in a row, and you have to
count back to put it together.

Two-part predicates is how I would think of doing it, if I were
putting together a new loglang.  I would actually have exactly two
places for each root, no more no less, to make it completely
predictable.


<3,
la stela selckiku
aka
mungojelly
aka
brett

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