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CONLANG  June 2009, Week 5

CONLANG June 2009, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Practice sentences

From:

taliesin the storyteller <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:03:27 +0200

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* Jim Henry said on 2009-06-29 18:43:56 +0200
> In Kaleissin's Taruven, which I've been studying for the inverse relay:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Herman Miller<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > A snake sees a mouse.
> 
> gvaìrvun tšah nīkeaþ.
> dragon-DIM see mouse-ACC

gvaìrvunel tšah nīkeið

Yep, it's one of those evil complemented verbs.

Funny how close "nīke" is to "niek" though. "nīke" is onomatopoeia, is
"niek" also?

> (Couldn't find a word for "snake" in the lexicon, or for any other
> reptile except "dragon".)

A diminutive gvaìr is still as tall as minibus, so great imagery :)

> > The snake wants to eat the mouse.
> 
> gvaìrvun geìlšeŋŋ nīkeaþ.
> dragon-DIM eat-DESID mouse-ACC
> 
> (There are three words in the lexicon for "eat"; I'm not absolutely
> sure I've got the right one here.  I'm pretty sure it's not "firi"
> which seems to be "to eat on a social occasion".)

geìl is the most generic one, yes.

> > The snake strikes at the mouse.
> 
> gvaìrvun řu nīìkeaþ.
> dragon-DIM attack mouse-ACC
> 
> > The mouse avoids the strike of the snake.
> 
> Not sure how to say this.

Many interesting examples of how to do it in this thread though: 
avoid, evade, in vain, escape, jump away, dodge...

Increase valency of "feì"? *tests* No. 
Complemented version of "feì"? *tests* Hmm..

nīkeel feìaš gvaìrvun řu (īaþ)
mouse-CSUB escape-CCAUS dragon-DIM attach 3s-ACC
the mouse escapes the snake attacking it

That'll do for now I think. Maybe "feì" *is* a complemented verb...
 
> > The snake slithers off to look for another mouse.
> 
> gvaìrvunel xveaš sin-vuh nīkeaþ.
> dragon-DIM-CSUB go_away-CCAUS look_for mouse-ACC
> 
> Couldn't find a way to say "another" here.

gvaìrvunel xveaš sin-vuh nīkekeìaþ
gvaìrvunel xveaš sin-vuh nīkeaþkeì

or 

gvaìrvunel xveaš sin-vuhkeì

Affixes like -keì should probably have their own grammar-page. So far,
they seem to behave like the klingon "rovers", that is: they can go
(just about) anywhere. 


t., who has a pounding head-cold, but it's too hot to sleep :/

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